webolife wrote:I agree with the phrase "meteor swarm" here as it seems to imply something more ominous than say a meteor shower. The "matar" were said to fall for a period of about 5 months. I'm favorable to associating the matar with moon bombardment.
It is important to remember that at the beginning of the deluge, these rifts were in or on the continental landmass, which through the period of spreading became the basins of the Atlantic and parts of the Indian and [lesser parts of the] Pacific oceans. What began as fountains from the "deep" earth, are still fountains from the "deep" earth, coinciding now with the mid-ridges of the "deep" ocean. Let's not be too quick to geographically delimit "deep"...
major tidal action of a large [passing] planetoid that was responsible also for the bombardment of the matar; it was likely temporarily caught in a co-orbital dance with the earth for the early part of the deluge period; this bombardment is evidenced by astroblemes found throughout the geologic record from PreCambrian through Cenozoic, and evidenced on the surface today;
subterranean water sources that were/are part and parcel of the pressures powering igneous processes in the deep crust or upper mantle; huge volumes of water are seen to surface during volcanic eruptions.
An important part of my scenario is that it's mechanisms are associated with presently observable/researchable evidence. "An extraordinary claim must be backed by extraordinary evidence," and I believe that extraordinary evidence of a catastrophic past is before our eyes.
sketch1946 wrote:I don't think the Hebrews were seafarers, so their knowledge of oceans was almost certainly second hand.
page 123The Pacific floor is Earth's second largest continent...
There are geological evidences that there were five cataclysmic
incidents in the Earth's history
when conditions for life, especially
for the higher forms of life, were interrupted for a length of time,
and most of the related species involved became extinct.
Simultaneously, several inches thick mud covered most part of the
Earth, which are now embedded in the rock formations of that age.
In
my view these five events coincided with the births of five of the six
physical continents. Before the last cataclysm the Earth showed a
rectangular pyramid configuration of the continents, North America was
still attached to Eurasia. Alaska and Siberia were the same land in
the subtropical zone, and the mammoth lived on it. Then an inland
fault developed, and a large area suddenly separated from the eastern
end of Eurasia, and this became North America.
The two land masses
immediately started to move to their new zero force positions in
the pentagonal pyramid system, but because of their non-circular
geometry a torque also developed on both, and caused their rotations.
North America rotated clockwise, Eurasia counterclockwise, thus both
Alaska and Siberia moved to the north in a few hours.
The mammoth died
out in the jerks of the land, and their carcasses with their broken
bones got quickly frozen. After a quick thaw their flesh is still
edible, and there is undigested tropical food in their stomach.
They still can be found in this state both in Alaska and in Siberia.
willendure wrote:sketch1946 wrote:I don't think the Hebrews were seafarers, so their knowledge of oceans was almost certainly second hand.
You should read H.G.Wells "A Short History of the World". One of the interesting things about the Hebrews is their belief in one god as an abstract entity. They were travellers and seafarers most certainly. What is interesting in H.G.Wells is that he explains how when they travelled and settled in a new location they retained the same religious beliefs and identity - in contrast to other peoples who adopted or adapted the religions of the places they migrated to. This explains why they were so succesfull in setting up trading and banking networks and why even today the Jews are so high up in our banking systems.
sketch1946 wrote:Hi willendure, Grey Cloud,
silly me... what was I thinking?....I forgot about Solomon sending out ships that took maybe three years for a round trip...
"1 Kings 10:22
For the king had at sea the ships of Tarshish with the ships of Hiram; once every three years the ships of Tarshish came bringing gold and silver, ivory and apes and peacocks.
Ezekiel 27:15
"The sons of Dedan were your traders. Many coastlands were your market; ivory tusks and ebony they brought as your payment.
1 Kings 9:26
King Solomon also built a fleet of ships in Ezion-geber, which is near Eloth on the shore of the Red Sea, in the land of Edom. 27And Hiram sent his servants with the fleet, sailors who knew the sea, along with the servants of Solomon. 28They went to Ophir and took four hundred and twenty talents of gold from there, and brought it to King Solomon.
And of course Paul, Saul of Tarsus, cruised all over the Mediterranean like he was hopping on a bus...
kell1990 wrote:How many cataclysms are needed to make this history work? There surely must be many.
Lloyd wrote:HOW MANY CATACLYSMS?kell1990 wrote:How many cataclysms are needed to make this history work? There surely must be many.
I think Gordon's idea is that there was just one major cataclysm followed by some minor ones, i.e. asteroid bombardment, tidal wave flooding, major volcanism etc, and continental drift all during the Great Flood, followed by catastrophic erosion and an ice age. Whereas Mike's idea is that there were two major cataclysms followed by minor ones, i.e. the continental drift impact with orogeny event occurred some centuries after the Great Flood event etc. I think one of those two ideas is correct and hope to determine which one is better sometime, but I think the paper we're working on may need to present both options.
FOUNTAINS
Gordon, thanks for explaining your theory more. I see I misunderstood your idea about the fountains of the deep. Do you think the ridge in the Pacific was active during the continental drift? Mike says he has evidence that that ridge was inactive then but he thinks it was active earlier when the supercontinent formed. As you probably know, he thinks the Atlantic ridge formed and became active as a result of the huge impact on the supercontinent off the east coast of Africa above Madagascar, which caused the Americas to break away from Africa and Eurasia. Do you agree with that? Or do you think something else caused the rift that became the Atlantic ridge? Mike says the impact caused a strip of land from Madagascar to the southern tip of South America to rift apart from south Africa first and the rift continued to open up northward, along the present west coast of Africa etc, which is why the Atlantic is now wider to the south.
- You say there was likely a layer of water vapor high in the atmosphere which precipitated out due to volcanic dust. Mike thinks there was about 1 or 2 bars more atmosphere than now, which was lost which allowed CO2 in oceans to degas to form limestone and cementing agents for hardening strata. Do you think there could not have been that much more atmosphere? Can you refer me to a source which explains why a vapor canopy would not be possible? Mike mentioned a creationist argument against it, but he doesn't think it was entirely correct.
OCEAN TIDES FROM PHOTONIC PRESSURE
Sketch, it looks like conventional ideas about tides are wrong, so to get better info for calculations you may want to read http://milesmathis.the-talk.net/t286-tides-and-catastrophism#1989
http://milesmathis.com/tide2.html
[Mathis says the tides are due to photon pressure from the Moon and Sun, not from their gravity.]
So now, directly under the Moon, we have about 9.82 m/s2 as our resultant acceleration. And this makes the tidal acceleration
.009545 x 2 = .0191 m/s2
And that is 572 times the maximum tidal force from gravity. So, yes, you would weigh about .2% more directly under the Moon.
... It hits the Earth like a radial meteor, except that this meteor has a radius of 378,000 km. It is like a meteor with a very low density. The main difference between our force from the Moon and a real meteor is that our [photon] force keeps arriving continuously.
Archimedes Effect
http://milesmathis.com/tide5.html
... If the Moon is directly above you, you are at the center of the depression. You are lower than the mean sea level (sea levels without a Moon), but the rest of the world is at high tide (or would be, minus time lags). This is because the mechanism of tide creation is relatively simple: when the Moon is over water, it creates a lower sea below it, and this forces all the other water higher. Just take a beach ball into the bathtub, press it down [to see the effect.]
ROCHE LIMIT MYTH
The following suggests that theories need not care about Roche limits, so it doesn't matter how close a planet comes to Earth; neither will be destroyed unless there's a collision.
http://milesmathis.com/roche.html
We want to find a distance at which the [Roche limit destroys] an orbiter. As should already be clear from our analysis of Pan above, this limit is a phantom. If Pan [name of a moon] is still experiencing accretion when it is so near the surface of a huge planet, then we may assume that the tidal Roche limit is a complete myth. The E/M [photonic] Roche limit would also be a myth, in that case, because we can see from Pan that neither field is strong enough to disintegrate a moonlet, even when it is low density and hammered by collisions.
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