Evidence of Ancient Global Cataclysm

Beyond the boundaries of established science an avalanche of exotic ideas compete for our attention. Experts tell us that these ideas should not be permitted to take up the time of working scientists, and for the most part they are surely correct. But what about the gems in the rubble pile? By what ground-rules might we bring extraordinary new possibilities to light?

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Re: Evidence of Ancient Global Cataclysm

Post by GaryN » Sat Dec 17, 2016 6:18 pm

Lloyd wrote:
GaryN wrote:I too have watched videos and read reports about the Scablands, and everything I've seen could be explained by large scale electrical phenomena. I agree with Steve Smith and his TPODS.
So you deny the reality of cavitation by flooding, or rapid water movements, as occurred in the Glen Canyon dam and as demonstrated in the video I linked? So far there isn't any largescale evidence for the EU theory on that.
No, I do not deny the power of water to cause great damage and erosion, but it depends on the circumstances. This is a well documented case of rapid erosion of granite, but is localised, the river lower down showed no such erosion, and likely in the area where it did occur was due to a cavitation process, an acoustic cavitation, a process not well understood. Incompressible water falling onto water, creating a lot of noise, but not just audible noise. Shock waves are created by the cavitation, and perhaps there is the involvement of electricity somehow.

Empirical Evidence of Catastrophic Geology: Case 4 cavitation
http://texasgeology.blogspot.ca/2013/09 ... ophic.html

At the foot of waterfalls this process has likely occurred in many instances. What I have difficulty with is imagining how the waterfall got there to starts with?
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Re: Evidence of Ancient Global Cataclysm

Post by GaryN » Mon Dec 19, 2016 8:03 pm

Grey Cloud wrote:Gary,
I'm awarding you a point for using the word 'incommensurate'. :ugeek:
What? Nothing for content?? ;)

Lloyd posted this link in his Major Sci News Blog, to a video by Randall Carlson in which he ridicules the Missoula lake ice dam model.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Otb6NJknIh8
Although I support his findings, he seems then to go on and replace one untenable model with another, IMO. He seems not to understand the potential (intended) for plasma to create the features he identifies at all.
Now, as this is NIAMI territory, I now have an idea that could replace the model of glaciers or water having altered the landscape, but produce the 400 ft of sea level rise and plasma sculpt the land at the same time. The idea is that the water to raise sea levels was virgin water, the hydrogen and oxygen coming form a major CME, the existing ocean surface becoming hyper-charged, and an increasing depth of a water plasma settling on the surface and becoming thicker, working its way up the inlets and eventually up to the top of hills and mountains, and covering the land too. The flood did not exist as liquid water to start with, but became water, and caused the electrical modification of the land as it stole electrons.
I'll research the scientific possibility of the mechanisms I propose, but think a point for imaginative content at least might be in order? :D
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Re: Evidence of Ancient Global Cataclysm

Post by elderlyrstaff » Tue Dec 20, 2016 2:14 am

[quote="Lloyd"]Cataclysm Occurred 4,300 Years Ago

EGYPT: Egypt’s monuments themselves do not begin their records before the 19th dynasty. The Byzantine chronicler Constantinus Manasses wrote that the State of Egypt had already lasted 1663 years, [since] 2188 BC. Egypt was anciently known as the land of Khem (i.e. Ham [son of Noah]). Menes and Hermes were two of Ham’s sons. HERMES (CUSH) WAS FOUNDER OF EGYPT’S RELIGION. Chaldean was a diplomatic language in Egypt. “Her”, in Chaldee, is “Ham”, or “Khem”, “the burnt one”. The Egyptian god HOR-us (the sun) is “Her” (“the hot or burning one”). Her-mes means the son of Her (Ham).

Elalion Taake commenced rule in -634 (an accession year according to CUT’s guess). Nubia thus was now the ruling party in Khem. If we take ourselves back 1663 years we arrive at -2297.

I quote you “…The Byzantine chronicler Constantinus Manasses wrote that the State of Egypt had already lasted 1663 years, [since] 2188 BC. Egypt was anciently known as the land of Khem…” Here we have a traditional view of Egypt. Chroniclers such as the above gentleman invariably started Egyptian History with the Third Dynasty and Tosorthros – in Manetho. His start date was -2298 (accession according to CUT) and thus full rule in -2297.

For more info on CUT chronology see clearing-uptimes.blogspot.com.au.
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Re: Evidence of Ancient Global Cataclysm

Post by john666 » Tue Dec 20, 2016 5:02 pm

Lloyd wrote:The mammals were frozen suddenly, apparently because rapid continental drift caused by a large asteroid impact off eastern Africa pushed Eurasia and North America northward into the frigid zone. The impact may have caused movement of the warmer air mass southward suddenly, causing much colder air to move over northern Siberia, causing the sudden freezing of animals. I referenced Mike Fischer's site, http://NewGeology.us, and the Frozen Mammoths chapter of Walter Brown's online book, probably here: http://www.creationscience.com/onlinebo ... moths.html.
There is one big problem that you keep ignoring when promoting this asteroid impact theory;

You are assuming that in the case of this hypothetical impact, Africa hardly, or not at all moves, while as the same time Eurasia and North America WHICH ARE MUCH FURTHER FROM THE IMPACT AREA MOVE HUNDREDS OF KILOMETERS NORTHWARDS.

Obviously that is false.

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Re: Evidence of Ancient Global Cataclysm

Post by Lloyd » Tue Dec 20, 2016 9:49 pm

Elder... said: For more info on CUT chronology see clearing-uptimes.blogspot.com.au.
That's http://clearing-uptimes.blogspot.com.au
Looks like their dating of the Flood is close to Jonathan Gray's dating and he based his on some similar sources.

Rapid Continental Drift
john666 wrote:There is one big problem that you keep ignoring when promoting this asteroid impact theory; You are assuming that in the case of this hypothetical impact, Africa hardly, or not at all moves, while a[t] the same time Eurasia and North America WHICH ARE MUCH FURTHER FROM THE IMPACT AREA MOVE HUNDREDS OF KILOMETERS NORTHWARDS. Obviously that is false.
Mike Fischer explained it very simply on his site at http://NewGeology.us. He used two different illustrations. The supercontinent was like a slab of ice on a frozen lake. The asteroid hit it off-center and the slab broke into six big pieces and several smaller ones. The broken pieces were like croquet balls, except flat instead of round. If you two croquet balls are touching each other and you hit one with a mallet in the direction of the other ball, the first ball stays still, but the second ball moves. The mallet is like the asteroid, the first ball is like Africa and the second ball is like the Americas.
- This image shows that all of the continents moved outward in all directions away from a single point off east Africa: http://newgeology.us/CentArrow.gif.
- The site has quite a few pages to help illustrate almost all of the details involved in the whole event.
- This shows that small mountain ranges formed from the initial shock on the sides of the continents closest to the impact as the continents first began to move: http://newgeology.us/InsideMounts.jpg.
- This shows that larger mountain ranges formed as the continents slowed down and began to build up friction, which caused the far sides of continents to buckle: http://newgeology.us/OutsideMounts.jpg.
- This shows the large crater and other features near it that formed from the impact: http://newgeology.us/Regional.jpg.
- This is the page where those images occur: http://newgeology.us/presentation1.html.
- On the main page are two videos at the top that show the entire rapid continental drift movement: http://newgeology.us.

Plasma
Gary said Carlson doesn't recognize that plasma can form Earth's surface features. Gary, the simplest explanation is that a Great Flood could have formed all of the strata on the continents and an asteroid impact could have broken up the supercontinent and formed all of the mountain ranges, ocean ridges and trenches and water erosion from catastrophic natural dam breaks could have formed the Grand Canyon and other major erosion features such as in the Southwest and the Northwest. There just happens to have been two large lakes above the Colorado River. When they breached they had plenty of energy to erode out the canyon in a period of weeks or months and the sediments are found all over the area downstream, including in the Gulf of California. There's nothing that the model doesn't explain. There's no need to introduce electric discharges, except for very small known lightning effects. Charles Chandler explained that there's no way for electric discharge machining to produce such effects. He seems to understand such things better than the EU team, since he's able to explain things in great detail, while the EU team can only give vague theories.

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Re: Evidence of Ancient Global Cataclysm

Post by john666 » Wed Dec 21, 2016 3:09 pm

john666 wrote:There is one big problem that you keep ignoring when promoting this asteroid impact theory; You are assuming that in the case of this hypothetical impact, Africa hardly, or not at all moves, while at the same time Eurasia and North America WHICH ARE MUCH FURTHER FROM THE IMPACT AREA MOVE HUNDREDS OF KILOMETERS NORTHWARDS. Obviously that is false.
Lloyd wrote:Mike Fischer explained it very simply on his site at http://NewGeology.us. He used two different illustrations. The supercontinent was like a slab of ice on a frozen lake. The asteroid hit it off-center and the slab broke into six big pieces and several smaller ones. The broken pieces were like croquet balls, except flat instead of round. If you two croquet balls are touching each other and you hit one with a mallet in the direction of the other ball, the first ball stays still, but the second ball moves. The mallet is like the asteroid, the first ball is like Africa and the second ball is like the Americas.
Your analogy with the two balls is faulty, because in your asteroid impact scenario you do not START WITH TWO STRUCTURES meaning you do not start with two continents, but you start with ONE SUPERCONTINENT.

Furthermore, even if you started with two continents, you still would not have the physical effect you claimed happened, because of following two reasons:

1.The balls in your example can produce the behavior that they produce, because they are nearly perfect spheres.
If instead of balls you had any other shaped objects, for example cubes, both cubes would move, or if the force exerted was too weak, none of the cubes would move.
But in any case, the physical behavior of which you are talking about, is reserved only for sphere like shaped objects, and continents are obviously not sphere like shaped objects.

2.In your balls example, the force is exerted HORIZONTALLY meaning 90 degrees to the force of gravity while in your asteroid impact scenario, the force is exerted VERTICALLY.

From modern warfare we know a lot about how a target object behaves when impacted by a projectile.
We know that the epicenter of a target object produces splinters which traverse the greatest distances, while the periphery of a target object produces splinters which traverse the smallest distances.

You talk about simulations, but you can have simulations of physical forces in video games as well.
Simulations mean nothing is the basic premise if false, and the basic premise of the asteroid impact scenario is
false because of all the reasons that I gave.

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Re: Evidence of Ancient Global Cataclysm

Post by elderlyrstaff » Thu Dec 22, 2016 1:07 am

Lloyd wrote:Volunteers Sought
Any volunteers to help list all such evidence? What are the best sources online & offline? What are the best items of evidence?

Evidence Sources
Some of the best sources I know of offhand are:
Mike Fisher's Shock Dynamics at http://newgeology.us

Walter Brown's Hydroplate Theory at http://www.creationscience.com

- The Hydroplate theory seems largely unrealistic, but these sections are very impressive evidence for catastrophism:
= Liquefaction: The Origin of Strata and Layered Fossils
http://www.creationscience.com/onlinebo ... ction.html

= The Origin of the Grand Canyon
http://www.creationscience.com/onlinebo ... anyon.html

= The Origin of Limestone
http://www.creationscience.com/onlinebo ... stone.html

= Frozen Mammoths
http://www.creationscience.com/onlinebo ... moths.html

= The Origin of Earth's Radioactivity
http://www.creationscience.com/onlinebo ... ivity.html

http://beforeus.com/questions_answers.html
ANCIENT CIVILIZATIONS
001. Deserts from nuclear war?
002. Former civilizations in Antarctica, Greenland
003. Ancient underground tunnels useful today?
004. Ancient micro technology
005. World maps before "discoverers" came
006. Changes in maps
007. Pre-Aboriginal paintings in Australia
008. Tut's gold from Australia?
009. Micro technology
010. The Black Knight
011. Ancient Chinese were that "mysterious" race?
012. Ancient voyage India to Rome?
013. Tunnels explored to the end?
015. The catacombs of Rome
016. Help! No ancient tunnel pictures!
017. Ancient civilizations and God
018. Religious beliefs of ancient races
019. Ancient giants - mere fantasy?
EARTH CHANGES
301. Earth's last flip-over
302. Sun and earth
303. The continents divided
304. Fitting of the continents
305. How Antarctica became frozen

Catastrophism
http://creationwiki.org/Catastrophism
https://answersingenesis.org/geology/catastrophism/

Faulty Dating Methods
https://answersingenesis.org/geology/ra ... sumptions/
http://creationtoday.org/radiometric-da ... -accurate/
http://cs.unc.edu/~plaisted/ce/dating2.html
http://www.icr.org/creation-radiometric/
See cl;earing-uptimes.blogspot.com.au and elderlyrstaff.simplesite.com

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Re: Evidence of Ancient Global Cataclysm

Post by webolife » Fri Dec 23, 2016 11:21 am

john666 wrote:
john666 wrote:There is one big problem that you keep ignoring when promoting this asteroid impact theory; You are assuming that in the case of this hypothetical impact, Africa hardly, or not at all moves, while at the same time Eurasia and North America WHICH ARE MUCH FURTHER FROM THE IMPACT AREA MOVE HUNDREDS OF KILOMETERS NORTHWARDS. Obviously that is false.
Lloyd wrote:Mike Fischer explained it very simply on his site at http://NewGeology.us. He used two different illustrations. The supercontinent was like a slab of ice on a frozen lake. The asteroid hit it off-center and the slab broke into six big pieces and several smaller ones. The broken pieces were like croquet balls, except flat instead of round. If you two croquet balls are touching each other and you hit one with a mallet in the direction of the other ball, the first ball stays still, but the second ball moves. The mallet is like the asteroid, the first ball is like Africa and the second ball is like the Americas.
Your analogy with the two balls is faulty, because in your asteroid impact scenario you do not START WITH TWO STRUCTURES meaning you do not start with two continents, but you start with ONE SUPERCONTINENT.

Furthermore, even if you started with two continents, you still would not have the physical effect you claimed happened, because of following two reasons:

1.The balls in your example can produce the behavior that they produce, because they are nearly perfect spheres.
If instead of balls you had any other shaped objects, for example cubes, both cubes would move, or if the force exerted was too weak, none of the cubes would move.
But in any case, the physical behavior of which you are talking about, is reserved only for sphere like shaped objects, and continents are obviously not sphere like shaped objects.

2.In your balls example, the force is exerted HORIZONTALLY meaning 90 degrees to the force of gravity while in your asteroid impact scenario, the force is exerted VERTICALLY.

From modern warfare we know a lot about how a target object behaves when impacted by a projectile.
We know that the epicenter of a target object produces splinters which traverse the greatest distances, while the periphery of a target object produces splinters which traverse the smallest distances.

You talk about simulations, but you can have simulations of physical forces in video games as well.
Simulations mean nothing is the basic premise if false, and the basic premise of the asteroid impact scenario is
false because of all the reasons that I gave.
Once again John666, you are either spending a great deal of energy trolling the threads, or you have failed to take the time or minimal effort to test out your beliefs with some simple experiments or logical analyses:
1. Try out some dice on a table, you will discover they behave precisely the same as spheres, except for the added frictional component. Likewise, have you never played hockey or air hockey? Newton's third law.
2. There is no indication that the impact force must have been vertical; this angle would be highly improbable anyway with the earth rotating at around 1600 km/hour at that impact site.
3. Lay some blocks out on a table [edges in contact] and drop another block or ball down on them from a meter or so. What happens to the blocks?

I'm not a devotee of Fischer, but he at least has laid out a workable model to explain his theory, unlike your unfounded objections.
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Post by john666 » Fri Dec 23, 2016 10:35 pm

webolife wrote:2. There is no indication that the impact force must have been vertical; this angle would be highly improbable anyway with the earth rotating at around 1600 km/hour at that impact site.
OK, tell us webolife, considering that is it obvious that you believe this hypothetical asteroid impact happened and that you believe that its angle of impact was closer to the HORIZONTAL THEN TOWARDS THE VERTICAL please tell us the approximate value of its inclination.
You don't have to precise, just tell us the approximate value.

webolife wrote:1. Try out some dice on a table, you will discover they behave precisely the same as spheres, except for the added frictional component. Likewise, have you never played hockey or air hockey? Newton's third law.
3. Lay some blocks out on a table [edges in contact] and drop another block or ball down on them from a meter or so. What happens to the blocks?
I'm not a devotee of Fischer, but he at least has laid out a workable model to explain his theory, unlike your unfounded objections.


Fischer is saying that an asteroid impacted the Earth near Madagascar, and that this asteroid impact didn't move at all Africa, but that it moved Eurasia and Americas hundreds of kilometers northwards.
And you are of course saying that he is correct, because it is perfectly logical for something like that happening. :roll:

So for example when I said
john666 wrote:From modern warfare we know a lot about how a target object behaves when impacted by a projectile. We know that the epicenter of a target object produces splinters which traverse the greatest distances, while the periphery of a target object produces splinters which traverse the smallest distances.
that was just me trolling, or what :?:

Tell me webolife, do the projectiles that are used in war, behave the way I said that they behave , or do they behave differently?
Do they for example behave the way the hypothetical asteroid impact of Fischer behaves?

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Re: Evidence of Ancient Global Cataclysm

Post by webolife » Sat Dec 24, 2016 12:19 am

John666,
Why do you not respond to scientific claims with counterclaims based on evidence?
1. You thinking something doesn't make sense doesn't mean to anyone else here that it doesn't make sense.
2. If you read my post, you will notice that I do not entirely accept Fischer's Madagascar impact theory.
3. Your projectile analogy doesn't address the effects of a shock wave impetus being imparted from one body to an adjoining body.
4. The only part of the impact vectors which matter to the possible westward movement of the American subcontinents away from the African central continent are those which are directed toward the west. Since the Earth rotates [at alleged Madagascar impact latitude of ~10 deg south] at approx 1600 km/hour toward the east, the primary vectors of impetus will be toward the west, regardless of the asteroid's impact velocity or angle of approach. Your projectile's splinter scattering should inform you that the direction of splinters is ideally spherically radial from the point of impact, so the direction of impetus shock waves would be expected to behave as Fisher hypothesizes, resulting in the relatively rapid movements of India, Australia, and Antarctica in the directions indicated by geography, as well as possibly transferring the shock wave from the larger African landmass to the smaller American masses.
Once again, I am not a full proponent of Fischer, but he at least attempts to use scientific evidences and reasoning to make his claims. If you don't like it, give an alternate scientific hypothesis based on the logical, experimental and theoretical constructs of scientific inquiry, rather than baseless brash.
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Re: Evidence of Ancient Global Cataclysm

Post by john666 » Sat Dec 24, 2016 1:26 am

webolife wrote:John666,
Why do you not respond to scientific claims with counterclaims based on evidence?
John666 wrote:From modern warfare we know a lot about how a target object behaves when impacted by a projectile. We know that the epicenter of a target object produces splinters which traverse the greatest distances, while the periphery of a target object produces splinters which traverse the smallest distances.
That right here is evidence refuting your psudoscientific claims, which is exactly the reason why you ignore the evidence.

webolife wrote: The only part of the impact vectors which matter to the possible westward movement of the American subcontinents away from the African central continent are those which are directed toward the west. Since the Earth rotates [at alleged Madagascar impact latitude of ~10 deg south] at approx 1600 km/hour toward the east, the primary vectors of impetus will be toward the west, regardless of the asteroid's impact velocity or angle of approach. Your projectile's splinter scattering should inform you that the direction of splinters is ideally spherically radial from the point of impact, so the direction of impetus shock waves would be expected to behave as Fisher hypothesizes, resulting in the relatively rapid movements of India, Australia, and Antarctica in the directions indicated by geography, as well as possibly transferring the shock wave from the larger African landmass to the smaller American masses.
You said WESTWARDS but in his explanation - as seen in the following video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_IIE8UnvPUg at 15-20 sec.- we see that Eurasia moves NORTHWARDS.

Care to explain why it is completely logical for Eurasia to move NORTHWARDS?

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Post by webolife » Sat Dec 24, 2016 2:16 pm

First of all, you do accept that the earth is a sphere, right?
Presuming that basic understanding, the shock vectors would be radial to the impact site, so that would push Antarctica to the south, Australia to the east, India to the northeast, EURASIA TO THE NORTH, and the Americas roughly to the northwest and west, if Fischer's shock dynamics is correct. I have trouble with his timescale and parts of his mechanism, but he has a reasonable model that should be evaluated with scientific analysis, not thoughtlessly shot from the hip. Your inelastic projectile fragments have little to do with the elastic collision of an astronomical body with the earth. Little, not nothing; however you should try shooting your projectile at a clump of [roughly] connected bodies and gauge the behavior of the bodies that are peripheral to the impact site as compared to the behavior of the sections close to the impact site. If you are going to use an analogy, pursue it to the extent that it is applicable, don't just throw it out there as if you have done the analysis yourself.
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Re: Evidence of Ancient Global Cataclysm

Post by john666 » Sat Dec 24, 2016 5:00 pm

webolife wrote:First of all, you do accept that the earth is a sphere, right?
Presuming that basic understanding, the shock vectors would be radial to the impact site, so that would push Antarctica to the south, Australia to the east, India to the northeast, EURASIA TO THE NORTH, and the Americas roughly to the northwest and west, if Fischer's shock dynamics is correct.
And in what direction should Africa be pushed, considering that Africa is WEST OF the alleged impact area just like the Americas are WEST OF the alleged impact area, because for the Americas you said:

"and the Americas roughly to the northwest and west"

Call me crazy, but I think Africa should be pushed towards the west just like the Americas, if Fischer's model is to have any internal logical consistency.
If you think otherwise, give me an evidence based argument FOR AFRICA TO REMAIN STATIONARY
webolife wrote:Your inelastic projectile fragments have little to do with the elastic collision of an astronomical body with the earth. Little, not nothing; however you should try shooting your projectile at a clump of [roughly] connected bodies and gauge the behavior of the bodies that are peripheral to the impact site as compared to the behavior of the sections close to the impact site.
Even if we disregard the fact that your analogy is false, considering that in Fischer's scenario you do not have several connected bodies, BUT ONE SUPERCONTINENT your thought example would still be wrong, because
A PROJECTILE acts completely the same whether the target are connected bodies, disconnected bodies, or a single body.

You want to say that is not the case?

Then show us the video of a impact, where that is not the case, because I can show you right now, dozens of videos where this is the case.

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Re: Evidence of Ancient Global Cataclysm

Post by elderlyrstaff » Sat Dec 24, 2016 5:04 pm

[quote="Lloyd"]Elder... said: For more info on CUT chronology see clearing-uptimes.blogspot.com.au.
That's http://clearing-uptimes.blogspot.com.au
Looks like their dating of the Flood is close to Jonathan Gray's dating and he based his on some similar sources.

A full .pdf is available via email. Some graphics are missing.

This short treatise gives a CUT overview of Geology cf. Catastrophe of TRULY global proportions.
CUT has a recent brief contact with Jonathan Gray but is unaware of JG's position vis-à-vis Flood dating. CUT's work is based as shown in abstract.

Abstract:
The following annotation with commentary is based on a short extract from David Johnson’s work titled The Geology of Australia 2nd Ed. The nature of this commentary is one of applying a concept of date reduction to a work that uses Stratigraphical and Radiometric dating exclusively. The basis for the reductions is Barry Setterfield’s seminal work “Cosmology and the Zero Point Energy”, a Natural Philosophy Alliance Monograph of 2013. Some surprising results can be correlated with the author’s, ably-assisted, attempts at a broad-based chronology extending from cosmological ‘day 1’ to the Greek conquest of Egypt. European oral Chronicles are also drawn upon in the excellent source reference by Roy C. Schulz, Imperial Schools, Pasadena. The author will show that every well-documented move made by Noah in a time-span of 127 pre-Flood years to his death 350 years after the Flood, which chronologically extends from -3454 to -2977, can be correlated to geological events of significant magnitude. Other activities - such as Nimrod’s governance - are easily able to be shown to be geologically-determined. No attempt will be made to justify the Flood’s reduced date as this is extensively covered elsewhere.

Introduction:

The extract follows without annotation. Any portions to be annotated will be quoted in the discussion. There will be a short summary of Chronology and a sample Ready Reckoner made available following this extract.

SUPERCONTINENTS:
RODINIA AND GONDWANA
The original theory of continental drift was supported by the same fossil species being collected on separate continents. Fossil plants, such as Glossopteris, were found in Australia, South America and India. The presence of the same land plants across these now-scattered continents suggested they were once all a single landmass.
The German climatologist and geophysicist Alfred Wegener published in 1915 an expanded version of his 1912 book The Origin. of Continents and Oceans. In this he was the first to suggest continental drift. He suggested that a supercontinent he called Pangaea had existed in the past, and then broke up, starting 200 million years ago.The initial scientific response was hostile. Then in 1937 Du Toit placed Antarctica as the central keystone of an early southern supercontinent he called Gondwana. He correctly argued that Antarctica stayed put while the other pieces `fled the Pole', with Africa, India, Australia and South America drifting away to the north.
On Scott's 1912 expedition to Antarctica, fragments of primitive sponge-like organisms Archaeocyatha had been found in limestones, supporting these links. But more than that — these fossils were marine and they match similar fossils in marine sequences in other continents such as North America.This implies that the original Gondwana had at one time been a series of fragments with sea between them, and also that it was possible the present northern hemisphere lands were linked to Gondwana!
It is important to realise that while we say something happened in Canada or South Africa, that is just because that is where the rocks lie today. In the Archaean these fragments were not assembled as they are today. The crust of the Earth has been moving since it first formed. The atlases and geography we know today are only true for now. In the past the landmasses were totally different shapes.
The geological similarity of rocks of the same age, in continents now widely dispersed across the globe is a key point. There are really only two possible causes. Either the same conditions were happening across the entire globe at the same time, which does not seem likely given the present range of climates and geological settings, or the rock masses used to be together.
In Australia, the three Archaean cratons — Pilbara, Yilgarn and Gawler — appear to have been entirely separate landmasses originally. How far apart they were we do not know. The Archaean cores of the Pilbara and Yilgarn regions were pushed together around 2000 Ma ago, and then between 1800 and 1765 Ma ago the Kimberley and Precambrian rocks in northern Australia were added to the Western Australian sections. At this time it seems the Gawler Craton had been joined to northern Australia. After c.1500 Ma it broke away, and the Gawler associated Precambrian blocks extending as fareast as Broken Hill, together with similar rocks in the present Antarctica, collided with the south eastern Yilgarn craton, forming the metamorphic rocks in the Albany region. During all these times the eastern third of Australia had not been formed.

84 THE GEOLOGY OF AUSTRALIA

Rodinia

Distinctive Archaean rocks occur in very old terranes on the other continents — in particular, igneous rocks that were all deformed at the same time, 1300-1100 Ma ago (the so-called Grenville series), which can be matched across reconstructed boundaries. Rocks in the Albany region of Western Australia match those on the coast of Antarctica and in parts of central India. More importantly, they are the same type and age as those along the eastern side of the present USA and Canada.
There are other data. For instance the komatiites can be found in Western Australia, in the Barberton Mountains of South Africa and in the Abitibi area of Canada. The thick banded iron formations of the Hamersley area in Australia are of similar age and look almost the same as those of Transvaal in South Africa and the Abitibi region of Canada. When the continental masses are reassembled the geology seems to match across the breaks.
From such evidence we are now sure that most of the present continents were united in a super-sized continent called Rodinia. The matching rocks show us how they fitted together like a jigsaw puzzle.
What do the folded rocks in these Grenville metamorphic belts signify? They show that in the period 1300-1100 Ma ago these continental blocks were being pushed together, and therefore that was the time of the final assembly of Rodinia.
In Rodinia the present-day Alaska probably abutted where Queensland is now, and the US west coast lay just off the present east Australian coast. The primitive fragments of Africa (Congo, Kalahari and West Africa) and of South America (Amazonia) were nearby. An alternative arrangement places southern China as well against eastern Australia, so there is more research needed to sort out the final story.
So between 1300 and 1100 Ma ago the primitive Australian mass, which would later form the core of the western half of Australia, was joined to India, Antarctica and Laurentia (the core of North America with Greenland) to form the early supercontinent of Rodinia.
Recent radiometric dating of granites and gabbros in southern China, and other intrusive basaltic rocks in widely spaced locations in Australia, India, Madagascar, southern Africa and North America (Laurentia), shows a major period of magmatism involving two main episodes, at 830-795 Ma and 780-745 Ma. The long duration, some 85 million years, indicates a major rifting event (perhaps caused by a mantle superplume) that was instrumental in the break-up of Rodinia.

Figure 3.14 Rodinia around 750 Ma ago, near the end of break-up of the supercontinent. The black zones represent Grenville metamorphic rocks (1300-1100 Ma) which can be traced across the old craton boundaries. Note Laurentia (present North America and Greenland) adjacent to Australia. The blank areas may have been seas, they may have been other continents which have now completely disappeared. The grey areas represent other rocks — volcanics, sedimentary rocks and granites. So there are a lot of unknowns; we are sure only that the old rocks were once joined together in this approximate shape.
Source: American Geophysical Union


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Figure 3.15 Gondwana 180 Ma. Eastern Gondwana is grey, western Gondwana white. The separation of eastern and western Gondwana created the Indian Ocean, and the break-up of Africa from South America created the Atlantic Ocean.
Gondwana was thus composed of an eastern section (Australia, India and Antarctica), which had been a core of the old Rodinia formed before 830 Ma ago, together with a western part (Africa and South America), which had joined on in the late Precambrian (750-520 Ma). The convergence of earlier cratonic blocks after 650 Ma led to mountain formation during the early stages of the development of Gondwana. Gondwana persisted for an extraordinarily long time — up until 180 Ma ago, when it began to break up in the Jurassic (see Chapter 7).
Source: David Johnson

Gondwana
From about 830 Ma ago Rodinia began to disintegrate, and the western side of Laurentia broke away from Australia. Laurentia drifted far away, opening a gap to form the first elements of what would become the Pacific Ocean. The eastern side of the US split away, forming the earliest opening of what would later become the Atlantic Ocean.
What was left was a core of Australia, India and East Antarctica. During these plate movements between 750 and 500 Ma ago the fragments of later Africa and South America drifted around the globe towards India and Australia. By 500 Ma ago the cores of Africa and South America had locked together with Australia, India and East Antarctica form the new supercontinent of Gondwana. Evidence of this amalgamation can be seen the Petermann Ranges, which consist of rocks deformed by compression around 600 Ma ago.
In summary, Rodinia existed from 1100 around 830 Ma ago, and Gondwana existed from 520 to 180 Ma ago. In the present phase of the Earth's atlas the continents are dispersed widely, except for India, which has collided with southern Eurasia. Africa and Australia are both heading north, so the next phase of supercontinent development could be underway.
The Proterozoic supercontinents preserve far more of the Earth's history than the Archaean. Much of the Proterozoic rock formations occur in Australia, and we are only just starting to understand them.

Chronology (Short):

Creation -5589
General Cosmic Year 1 -4915/-4914
Adam -4531
Expulsion -4501
Noah -3761
Flood -3327/-3326
Heavens opened after entering Ark 829.04 Ma
Kish #1 -3240
Uruk #1 -3168
En-mer-kar = Nimrod -3117
Death of Noah -2977
Peleg commenced rule at 80 yrs in -2818

Conversion examples:

te = 1,500,000,000 0.2722514 732.6285174 -3629.628517 0.3714826 4.4577912 0.4577912 13.5048404 14th May, -3630
te = 1,765,000,000 0.313213272 842.8569158 -3739.856916
te = 1,100,000,000 0.20678733 556.464705 -3453.464705 0.53529497 6.42353964 0.42353964 12.49441938 ????
te = 830,000,000 0.159914549 430.3300523 -3327.330052 0.669947688 8.039372259 0.039372259 1.161481649 2nd Sep, -3328
te = 795,000,000 0.153669135 413.5236435 -3310.523644 0.476356474 5.716277693 0.716277693 21.13019195 22nd Jun, -3311


te = 780,000,000 0.150980247 406.2878449 -3303.287845 16.37262791 0.712155148 8.545861777 0.545861777 16.10292242 17th Sept, -3304
te = 745,000,000 0.144677261 389.3265104 -3286.32651 0.673489573 8.081874871 0.081874871 2.4153087 3rd Sep, -3287

te = 180,000,000 0.03693015 99.37903257 -2996.379033 0.620967426 7.451609117 0.451609117 13.32246895 13th Aug, -2997
te = 750,000,012 0.14558018 391.7562644 -3288.756264 0.24373562 2.92482744 0.92482744 27.28240948 27th Mar, -3289
te = 500,000,000 0.0993865 267.4490702 -3164.44907 0.550929845 6.611158146 0.611158146 18.02916531 18th Jul, -3165
te = 600,000,046 0.118124668 317.8734816 -3214.873482 0.126518412 1.518220944 0.518220944 15.28751785 15th Feb, -3214

te = 570,000,000 0.112540437 302.846315 -3199.846315 0.153685045 1.844220538 0.844220538 24.90450586 24th Feb, -3200

Ready Reckoner


An example of how to use the Ready Reckoner –
Noah died according to the Chronology in use in this article in -2977. Looking in the right-most column in the red-selected row we have -2980. In the row above we have -3007. Then turning our attention to the left-most column we note the two rows we have a 50 million year difference. Thus 27 (3007-2980) years is equivalent to 50 million years. Since Noah died 3 years later than -2980 we can proportion and get a reasonable approximation. 3 * 50 / 27 = 5.5 million years. Subtracting from 150 Ma (obtained from the highlighted row and left-most column) we get 144.5 Ma for the death of Noah. So we could say he probably missed the dinosaurs.

Discussion:

We should lead off the discussion with a rubric. Intracratonic Basins are assumed to be the remains of the fountains of the deep referred to in Scripture. The Kola Ultradeep Project shows a good relation between the waters that gushed out to the current very-structured and water-logged Crust!!

We should note that in scripture, as it is translated for us, we find that Noah is assigned 600 years of life before the Flood. The chronology we are working with unfortunately does not support this number. The benchmark date for the molad of Tishri is given as -3761. This chronology recognizes -3761 as the birth date of Noah. Given that the Hebrew Calendar is often associated quite strongly with the Jews, and given that 600 is a number very special in Jewish gemmatria, it is possible that the number 600 was conceived as a means of associating the Jews with Noah.

The 120 years in which scripture records Noah’s building and preaching activities are an integral part of the chronology we are using.

The overall development of human history as set out – at least chronology-wise – in our Chronology follows the pattern of geologic progress e. g. the cratons are formed just-in-time for the departure from Eridu at 324(5) years after Adam was created.

The first point of interest date-wise is found in the following quote

In Australia, the three Archaean cratons — Pilbara, Yilgarn and Gawler — appear to have been entirely separate landmasses originally. How far apart they were we do not know. The Archaean cores of the Pilbara and Yilgarn regions were pushed together around 27th May, -3834, and then in the 14 years and 3 months ending 22nd Feb, -3740 the Kimberley and Precambrian rocks in northern Australia were added to the Western Australian sections. At this time it seems the Gawler Craton had been joined to northern Australia. After ca. 14th May, -3630 it broke away, and the Gawler-associated Precambrian blocks extending as far east as Broken Hill, together with similar rocks in the present Antarctica, collided with the south-eastern Yilgarn craton, forming the metamorphic rocks in the Albany region. During all these times the eastern third of Australia had not been formed.
The second point in the same vein is in the next quote

From such evidence we are now sure that most of the present continents were united in a super-sized continent called Rodinia. The matching rocks show us how they fitted together like a jigsaw puzzle.
What do the folded rocks in these Grenville metamorphic belts signify? They show that in the eighty-nine years and eight months (89/8) ending 13th Jul, -3454 these continental blocks were being pushed together, and therefore that was the time of the final assembly of Rodinia.
From the final assembly of Rodinia to the Flood, people from all over the world could see the ark being built because they could easily visit the site and when it was time the animals could come from all the different parts of Rodinia to enter the ark. Since the Flood was -3327 and the building of Rodinia ended in -3454, we can say that Rodinia existed for 7 years longer than the 120 years that Noah spent building the ark before the Flood.

The third point likewise is in the next quote

Recent radiometric dating of granites and gabbros in southern China, and other intrusive basaltic rocks in widely spaced locations in Australia, India, Madagascar, southern Africa and North America (Laurentia), shows a major period of magmatism involving two main episodes, from the 2nd Sep, -3328 to 22nd Jun, -3311 (a period of 16 years and 3 months) and from the 17th Sep, -3304 to the 3rd Sep -3287 (a period of 17 years). The long duration, some 85 million years, indicates a major rifting event (perhaps caused by a mantle superplume) that was instrumental in the break-up of Rodinia.

The fourth point

Figure 3.15 Gondwana 13th Aug -2997 [Noah outlived Gondwana by 20 years. In that 20 years Gondwana had begun to break up]. Eastern Gondwana is grey, western Gondwana white. The separation of eastern and western Gondwana created the Indian Ocean, and the break-up of Africa from South America created the Atlantic Ocean.
Gondwana was thus composed of an eastern section (Australia, India and Antarctica), which had been a core of the old Rodinia formed before the 2nd Sep -3328, together with a western part (Africa and South America), which had joined on in the late Precambrian (from 27th Mar -3289 to 20th May -3175, a period of 114 years and 1 month)*. The convergence of earlier cratonic blocks after (approximately -3240 [It appears from the chronology we are using that Noah was in Gondwana at least toward the end of his 10 year world tour (see Schulz) which ran from -3247 to -3237. We suspect this because Kish I which was started by his enemies was set up in -3240, most likely in his absence]) led to mountain formation during the early stages of the development of Gondwana [It is possible that aboriginal elders accompanying Noah on his world tour were the first aborigines to sight Australia and may have seen some of the mountain-building occurring as they toured. This might be the basis of various Dreamtime stories of the Petermann Ranges]. Gondwana persisted for an extraordinarily long time — up until 180 Ma ago (a total of 331 yrs), when it began to break up in the Jurassic (see Chapter 7).
Source: David Johnson
*Once East and West Gondwana had stuck together ca -3175, Noah began a project of shifting people to various parts of this new supercontinent. We have a record of the posterity of Ham commencing in the Sudan in Africa in -3175. It is highly likely that the first aborigines were settled in Australia as part of this project and certainly no earlier than -3175.

The fifth point is

From about 830 Ma ago [Our chronology is based upon Biblical dates in terms of days, months and years and so we date the disintegration of Rodinia to the reverse conversion date of 829.04 Ma. This disintegration, briefly referred to above, involved a major period of magmatism and we can therefore conclude that as well as vast amounts of water pouring out of the fountains of the deep, there were vast flows of lava. This reference to Rodinia disintegrating is really a reference to the Flood. ] Rodinia began to disintegrate, and the western side of Laurentia broke away from Australia. Laurentia drifted far away, opening a gap to form the first elements of what would become the Pacific Ocean.
The sixth point is as follows:

What was left was a core of Australia, India and East Antarctica. During these plate movements between the 27th Mar -3289 and the 18th Jul -3165 (a period of 124 years and 4 months) [During this period, Pangea had formed and a number of cities called the Swastika Cities formed and probably under the influence of Nimrod and Cush. We note that just fifty years later the tower of Babel project’s main goal had been abandoned and the cities were strung out across the shores of what today would be Africa through to South-East Asia. Their original configuration appears to have been a ring, possibly surrounding or centered on Erech and Kish.] the fragments of later Africa and South America drifted around the globe towards India and Australia. By the 18th Jul -3165 the cores of Africa and South America had locked together with Australia, India and East Antarctica form the new supercontinent of Gondwana. Evidence of this amalgamation can be seen the Petermann Ranges, which consist of rocks deformed by compression around the 15th Feb -3214.
The seventh and last point is

In summary, Rodinia existed from the 13th Jul -3454 to the 2nd Sep -3328 (a period of 126 years and 2 days) and Gondwana existed from the 24th Feb -3200 to the 13th Aug -2997 (a period of 203 years and 8 months).
Conclusion:

We can conclude that Noah did not move to disperse nations to their respective assigned places until the heavier duty tectonic activity had eased off (-3219 colonists to Italy). About 407,612,964 years ago Nimrod started his 2-year Babel experiment and probably profoundly affected the inhabitants of Gondwana. Did he do it because there were already signs that Pangaea was breaking up? Or was it because he had the opportunity of everyone together on one mostly-interconnected landmass? We can conclude both.

Finally, the tales about the Earth’s land-surface and its generation from cratonic assemblages pre-Flood to accretionary ‘bubbles of mud’ according to one native history being added on to these cratons are justified by the timelines for the most striking Earth-landmass trauma that was the 430 years post-Flood experience.

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