Evidence of Ancient Global Cataclysm

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Re: Evidence of Ancient Global Cataclysm

Unread postby webolife » Tue Dec 22, 2015 3:08 pm

Grey Cloud,
Refer to Genesis 1:14 [Creation Day 4] for the pre-flood season reference, along with Gen. 2:4-6; and to God's promise in Genesis 8:22 [the post-flood "initiation" of the principle of uniformity] for seasons based on climate/weather.
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Re: Evidence of Ancient Global Cataclysm

Unread postby Grey Cloud » Tue Dec 22, 2015 5:49 pm

nick c wrote:On page 3 and 4 of this thread there was some discussion of the frozen wooly mammoth carcasses that are periodically found within the Arctic Circle.
Previously, THE EXTINCTION OF THE MAMMOTH, By Charles Ginenthal was only available as a hardcopy for purchase; the book is now freely available on the net as a PDF here:
http://immanuelvelikovsky.com/Mammoth_01052014.pdf

Hi Nick,
Thanks, I knew I'd seen it something not long ago. Thought it was on another site. I've got memory like a whatsit these days. :roll:
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Re: Evidence of Ancient Global Cataclysm

Unread postby Grey Cloud » Tue Dec 22, 2015 5:51 pm

webolife wrote:Grey Cloud,
Refer to Genesis 1:14 [Creation Day 4] for the pre-flood season reference, along with Gen. 2:4-6; and to God's promise in Genesis 8:22 [the post-flood "initiation" of the principle of uniformity] for seasons based on climate/weather.

Thanks Webolife. I'll have a look tomorrow.
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Re: Evidence of Ancient Global Cataclysm

Unread postby webolife » Tue Dec 22, 2015 8:24 pm

Nick,
I especially love this quote from your linked book:
"Facts and theories are much more intimately connected than is admitted. . . . Not only is the description of every single fact dependent on some theory . . . but there always exists facts which cannot be unearthed except with help of alternatives to the theory to be tested, and which become unavailable as soon as the alternatives are excluded." -- Paul Feyerabend, Against Method (London, 1978), p. 27.
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Re: Evidence of Ancient Global Cataclysm

Unread postby Grey Cloud » Wed Dec 23, 2015 7:24 am

Interesting little 7-page essay by geologist Han Kloosterman:
http://cosmictusk.com/wp-content/upload ... rticle.pdf
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Re: Evidence of Ancient Global Cataclysm

Unread postby webolife » Wed Dec 23, 2015 1:00 pm

Great find, Grey Cloud. Brilliant essay! I hope every reader stops to digest this very brief and readable synopsis of the history of European catastrophism. My own catastrophic earth history incorporates many of the same conclusions suggested by this essay. Plus, there are some challenging aspects I will have to research further!
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Re: Evidence of Ancient Global Cataclysm

Unread postby seasmith » Wed Dec 23, 2015 2:26 pm

Grey Cloud,
Good find indeed. Sir Hoyle's timeline, backed up by his pedigree in astronomy, has always seemed a very reasonable perspective to me; and your cited paper by Hans Kloosterman certainly reaffirms the impression.

http://cosmictusk.com/wp-content/upload ... rticle.pdf

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Re: Evidence of Ancient Global Cataclysm

Unread postby Grey Cloud » Wed Dec 23, 2015 3:38 pm

Webolife & Seasmith,
Glad you enjoyed it. Good that it focused on NW Europe - too much emphasis/focus is directed at the eastern Med and Middle East. The collapse affected other places, such as China, that we know of. Personally I would like to see geologists and archaeologists looking at India. Physical evidence from the ground combined with India's copious literature and we might start to get a clearer picture.
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Re: Evidence of Ancient Global Cataclysm

Unread postby seasmith » Wed Dec 23, 2015 5:21 pm

Not to forget the fire, ice and water cataclysms recorded in the North American Southwest Hopi (early-Americans, Not redskins ;) ) rich creation/destruction sagas.

Interesting parallels have also been drawn between their intercessory "ant-people", the Ubaid figures of Mesopotamia and the Myrmidons of ancient Greece.
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Re: Evidence of Ancient Global Cataclysm

Unread postby Lloyd » Wed Dec 23, 2015 10:10 pm

Geochronology
I'm working on a sort of paper on this at http://qdl.scs-inc.us/?top=4741-4759-6813-6226-9754-18209-18211.
CC on Planets (Earth Features since Formation): http://qdl.scs-inc.us/?top=6199
CC on Electric Orbits (Titius-Bode Law): http://qdl.scs-inc.us/?top=15369
Geochronology, Part 1 (Mythic Record): http://saturniancosmology.org/files/thoth
Geochronology, Part 2 (CC on Supercontinent): http://qdl.scs-inc.us/?top=15407
Geochronology, Part 3 (Great Flood): https://www.socalsem.edu/2015/08/09/noahs-flood-the-key-to-correct-interpretation-of-earth-history/
Geochronology, Part 4 (Post Flood Catastrophes): http://www.icr.org/article/4788/385
Geochronology, Part 5 (Continental Drift & Ice Age): http://newgeology.us

The Geochronology Part 4 includes major events like carving the Grand Canyon, the Floods in Washington and Idaho etc, the flooding of the Mediterranean Sea, which was almost a dry basin before flooding, and the flooding of the Black Sea. I suppose these actually likely occurred after the Continental Drift event some centuries after the Great Flood. The Mediterranean and Black Seas floods must have been terrifying, since both were pretty deep, probably a mile or so. Right?

Conflagration
C.Smith, I took a very short peek at the Kloosterman paper so far, and it's intriguing. It looks like a conflagration was world-wide, instead of just mostly in North America and Europe. Rick Firestone and others have been finding there was an impact that likely caused that conflagration, but they haven't mentioned it being worldwide, that I know of. But this paper talks about the same soot layer and the same time period of about 12,000 years ago. I think those datings are way off; they should be about 4,000 years ago, I guess.

Mammoths
Nick, thanks for the Ginenthal paper link. I copied most of the paper to a file, but I have to clean it up, as it doesn't copy neatly.

Radiometric Ratios
Gordon, that's interesting that sedimentary strata can't normally be radiometrically dated. I was discussing the Great Flood theory on the ChristianForums with some uniformitarians. One was saying that the strata show correct dates by various dating methods. Another said tsunamis don't produce sedimentary patterns seen in the geological column. I think it would be helpful if we could get the actual parent/daughter ratios found in the strata volcanic strata. If there is any kind of pattern in those ratios, I think they might tell us something. How would you go about finding those ratios throughout the igneous and metamorphic portions of the geologic column?
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Re: Evidence of Ancient Global Cataclysm

Unread postby MerLynn » Wed Dec 23, 2015 11:56 pm

Lloyd wrote:
NO C-14 IN COAL
http://beforeus.com
-C-14 dating is generally accurate to within 150 years, or up to 250 years.
-Most results are rendered invalid by absorption, leaching, cosmic radiation, and a proven varied rate of decay.
-Balloon soundings show that much more C-14 is still being formed than is decaying. This could be so only if the process had BEGUN RECENTLY. Dr. Cook calculates an age for our atmosphere of no more than 10,000 years.
-REASON FOR DISCREPANCIES: A PAST COSMIC DISASTER
-Plants and animals did not absorb any radiocarbon 14 before the Disaster, Because the band of moisture filtered the rays out before they ever reached the nitrogen in the earth’s atmosphere. That’s why scientists found no C14 in the coal.
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Re: Evidence of Ancient Global Cataclysm

Unread postby moses » Thu Dec 24, 2015 12:57 am

Hi MerLynn,
Crude oils varies so much that being absolute as to how oil formed has got to be problematic. It only stands to reason that having carbon in the mix has got to be helpful to producing oil. However transmutation via plasma effects seem certain to be involved. So no need to argue.

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Re: Evidence of Ancient Global Cataclysm

Unread postby Grey Cloud » Thu Dec 24, 2015 4:28 am

World’s oldest weather report could alter Egyptian history
http://www.futurity.org/bronze-age-weat ... -timeline/

The Ahmose ‘Tempest Stela’, Thera and Comparative Chronology
http://www.jstor.org/stable/10.1086/675 ... b_contents

Same story. The first link is the 'pop science' version, the second link is the original scholarly paper.
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Re: Evidence of Ancient Global Cataclysm

Unread postby GaryN » Thu Dec 24, 2015 9:52 am

What I find most incredible is that we presently have an Earth populated by a huge diversity of species, but it seems clear from physical evidence and legend that there have been numerous catastrophic events, fire from above, floods that reached the mountain tops, ice that may have covered much of the world, impacts from large objects from space, and electrical/plasma destruction from passing planets. Is there some Shangri-La location where all the life we now observe, including us, could have survived such widespread and/or long duration destruction?
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Re: Evidence of Ancient Global Cataclysm

Unread postby seasmith » Thu Dec 24, 2015 10:38 am

G,
Probably a few, which vary, as do the different cataclysms.
Maybe that is why a number of ancient cultures with surviving tales have proclaimed Their place as the
"Navel of the World"

or something similar ?
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