From Why an Aether

Beyond the boundaries of established science an avalanche of exotic ideas compete for our attention. Experts tell us that these ideas should not be permitted to take up the time of working scientists, and for the most part they are surely correct. But what about the gems in the rubble pile? By what ground-rules might we bring extraordinary new possibilities to light?

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From Why an Aether

Unread post by Lloyd » Wed Mar 11, 2009 9:08 pm

* I brought this up at the aether thread here:
http://thunderbolts.info/wp/forum/phpBB3/v ... &start=375
* But I don't want to hijack the thread, so I'm bringing the new discussion here.

Post by Lloyd on Tue Mar 10, 2009 7:58 pm
* String or rope theory doesn't seem to get any closer to understanding reality than does aether theory etc. It starts with an assumption that things exist separate from consciousness and that those external things explain consciousness. People more often say that the behavior of external objects explain "observations", but observations are actually consciousness, i.e. the type of consciousness called perception.
* But I contend that it's not certain, and it may be entirely unprovable, that anything other than consciousness exists.
* What would happen to your theories, if you used consciousness as your starting point? It's easy to question the existence of aether, strings etc, but can you question the existence of consciousness? If you start with the fact, not theory, that consciousness exists, then maybe you can determine what and how reality is.
* Observation depends on, or IS, perception, so you can start by determining what are the features of perception. Do you think perceptions can tell you anything about reality? What do they tell you about "space", "time", "motion", "sound", "force", "heat" etc?
* Visual perception seems to tell us the most about space, time, motion, light etc. Tactile perception tells us about force & heat and also about space & motion & a little about time. Audio perception tells about sound & a little about space & time. Going a little more into detail, vision shows us length, area, volume & I think proportion etc. It tells about color and light intensity.
* These are all things that we know exist, because they're features of perception, which is one of the forms of consciousness. Logic, which is another aspect of consciousness, can also help us go beyond direct perception to understand more details of reality. It can also help us determine what are assumptions and what are facts.
* It makes sense to start with facts (and making sense means using the scientific method).
* Observations are facts. Your observations are not my facts. I have to test your statements about your observations to see if I can experience such observations, before they can become my facts. Scientists have provided lots of their observations, but many of them apparently have been inaccurately reported. We need to determine which are accurate and inaccurate. This forum has been working on that, but not in an organized way, that I can see.
* Since consciousness obviously exists, the first question is, does everything consist of consciousness, or does existence consist of consciousness and non-consciousness. And is it possible to determine if non-consciousness exists, since the only way to know of it seems to be via consciousness? Is it possible for everything we perceive to be consciousness? It seems very possible to me. If non-consciousness exists, why does it exist? Consciousness can have a reason to exist, since it has will. But non-consciousness would not seem to have will.
* Can our environments and our bodies and minds consist of consciousness only? Can rocks, chemicals, atoms, space, time, aether units, ropes etc consist of consciousness? If so, are there basic units of consciousness? Would it consist of morphic fields and things like that, similar to what Rupert Sheldrake has theorized? Could consciousness consist of happiness, or love? What else besides happiness and love could give anything the will to exist? If infinite love is basic reality, then the will to understand reality would seem to have a useful purpose. Otherwise, when we find out what basic reality is, and it's not infinite love, finding out the truth would seem necessarily to be a big letdown, or at least confusing. Like it was to the answer to Life, the Universe and Everything.
Post by Lloyd on Wed Mar 11, 2009 4:01 pm
* Grey Cloud, it's nice to see that we seem to agree at least somewhat on an issue that's pretty basic.
* Plasmatic said:
you might be better off starting a thread on the insane philosophy of solipsism rather than discussing this in this thread
* Wikipedia says,
Solipsism is not a single concept but instead refers to several world views whose common element is some form of denial of the existence of a universe independent from the mind of the agent.
* It seems rather unfriendly to contend that what you think is my philosophy is insane.
* I'm not a solipsist, since I don't deny "the existence of a universe independent from (my) mind". The rational, conscious mind should be able to realize that there's much more to existence than one's own consciousness.
* My point in bringing up consciousness is that science may have largely overlooked a foundational element of knowledge and by examining that element, greater progress may be made. It has been an unacknowledged assumption that the universe consists of non-conscious material. The aether theory was developed over 300 years ago. The rope theory may be new, but it's based on the same assumption of non-consciousness.
* If everything consists of consciousness, instead of non-consciousness, we might be able to make progress by examining the implications.
* Junglelord said:
- A rotating magnetic field is very easy to prove.... the field between a magnet is the aether. The field is independent of the matter. It is NOT a creation of matter. Therefore it is simple, aether is the magnetic field.
- I believe that each atom is a conscious unit. I believe that there is a conscious field. Three fields, angular momentum, magnetic, conscious.
* Would you like to mention what observations prove that magnetic fields rotate? By "the field between a magnet" do you mean two magnets, or two legs of a horseshoe magnet? What observations indicate that the magnetic field is aether, that atoms are consciousness units and that there are these 3 fields?
* To me it seems that the idea of a field isn't as clear as would be the idea of a zone. A fire has a heat zone around it. At close range it has high heat. Farther away the zone is less hot. Can we detect a magnetic field with our sense of touch etc? I suspect that we're capable of learning to detect it, because our blood hemoglobin contains iron, which is affected by magnetism. I guess the heat zone around a fire is kind of vortex-like, with a very thin zone on the underside and a very high zone directly above. So gravity and air movement strongly affects the heat zone around a fire. I guess the easiest way to detect a magnetic zone around a magnetized object is by holding a piece of iron and feel it move. What's the shape of the magnetic zone and what affects the shape of it?

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Unread post by Lloyd » Wed Mar 11, 2009 9:26 pm

* Steven O said:
Please define 'conscious' very clearly then.
* When I was nearly 20 I came to realize that knowlege = experience = consciousness = awareness and that the 3 main kinds of consciousness are perceptions, emotions and thoughts. Perceptions are the 5 or more senses of sight, sound, touch, taste, smell and perhaps others. Emotions are similar to the sense of touch, but are not localized very specifically on any part of the body. Caring seems to be the most important emotion. Without it, we wouldn't do much science. Would we! Thoughts are memories of perceptions, that we can manipulate in our field or zone of thought.
* More recently I also gave more thought to what the subconscious is and it seems to be much more extensive and stable than our conscious minds. Logic, will and memories are the aspects of the subconscious that I'm fairly aware of, when I think about it. The subconscious may be the most important part of ourselves, but our conscious selves may keep increasing so that more and more of the subconscious becomes known consciously. There may be a collective subconscious too.
When does a thing acquire consciousness? When it can assess and influence it's own state? Does a stone possess consciousness? And a match? Or a photon?
* As I said earlier, it may be that all things consist of consciousness, in which case things wouldn't acquire consciousness. Stones, matches, photons etc would only exist as consciousness. To us they exist as observations, which are perceptions.
* Science suggests that perceptions are caused by external forces impinging on our sensory organs and these organs react by producing nerve impulses electrically in our nerve cells, which travel to our brains and make patterns there, which our brains interpret as external objects or beings.
* We know that these external forces, such as light, sound waves, pressure, heat etc are external to our conscious selves, but we don't know if they're external to our subconsciouses, or to our possible collective subconscious. Rupert Sheldrake's and similar experiments may ultimately tell us something about this. How do dogs at home often know when their owners are coming home as soon as the owner decides to go home?
* Most animals very probably have perceptions of various kinds and many also probably have emotions, which they instinctively react to, but few seem to have the ability to think. So a being can be consciousness without having intelligence.
* If we start with our visual observations or perceptions, we can readily see length, area, volume and motion. Motion is how we know time. Our perceptions aren't extremely precise. When we perceive an object visually, we don't generally have an accurate awareness of its exact dimensions. There are people who can make extremely accurate complicated calculations. Maybe it's possible for people to learn to perceive dimensions etc extremely accurately too. This would seem to be something that the subconscious might be able to provide us.
* Anyway, it's such observations/perceptions that we base our theories on. Our theories are models that we want to accurately resemble reality, like maps. So we need to make and organize observations about things to get the best models.
* The question discussed at the Why an Aether thread was whether aether or string/rope better models the reality of space and matter. Is that what we want to discuss here? Are we ready to experiment with the idea that everything may consist of consciousness and see if that idea may help better to explain reality?

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Re: From Why an Aether

Unread post by junglelord » Wed Mar 11, 2009 9:49 pm

Here is what Seth has to say about consciousness. Take careful note of numerologly, platonic solids and structure and the conscious field and hyper space and the cylclic nature of it all, in and out.... Also how strings are in APM the explanation of Mass and that vibration means Tone. All this wrapped up in a net package. Your sub-conscious is the well spring from which your conciousness flows and yet you need to return to this state and also to have DMT and dream, for you conscious state to exist for about 18 hours, then you need that sleep time and DMT....to trip the light fantastic.
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The Seth Entity and "Consciousness Units"

In the previous chapter, we were discussing how modern physics seems to possibly match the dimensional cosmology based on the octave. What is so important to note at this point is Dr. Michio Kaku’s quote, "It’s as though there is some kind of deep numerology being manifested in these [dimensional] functions that no one understands." The numerology Kaku was speaking of is the widespread occurrence of the number 8 in Ramanujan’s physics equations having to do with higher dimensions.

It appears that this numerology is, in fact, sitting right in front of Kaku’s face, as he mentions "the vibrations of a string." Look at it this way; a vibrating guitar string can make notes all throughout the spectrum of an octave, but it can never go outside of an octave framework; if the vibratory pitch was moved higher, it would simply enter into a higher octave. We demonstrated this earlier with Bruce Cathie's reminder that each orbital shell of an atom can only hold eight electrons maximum before moving into the next position. Similarly, the vibrations of the dimensions must conform themselves to this same octave system that is indicated by Ramanujan’s function. In the previous chapter, we indicated this function as being based on 24, or three times eight. Kaku then simplified that harmonic of three sets of eight down into one set of eight, which would represent the dimensional span of one octave.

Having established that, we come up again to the geometric shapes themselves. These shapes, as previous chapters indicated, are a series of "perfect" geometric solids that all fit within the sphere, and have a growth sequence that fits into the octave pattern. What the author proposes is that the superstrings referred to by Dr. Kaku, 100 billion billion times smaller than a proton, are minutely organizing into these simple geometric crystals, in order that they might have a structure to give rise to form. Essentially, Seth has already told us that the universe rises out of "cubes within cubes" in a universe made up of "a myriad of interconnecting wires, constantly trembling." As stated, this is literally identical to superstring theory, which also discusses cubes within cubes as "hypercubes," and builds the universe on a matrix of interconnecting strings that vibrate.

In fact, the hypercube is the model given for what an "unwrapped" cube would look like if it came from the Fourth Dimension. It looks roughly like a crucifix shape divided into six equal - sized squares, where each square is then extruded into a cube. This design was the basis for a Salvador Dali painting where he expressed Jesus as having been crucified on such a form. The growth of the sphere-based geometric shapes satisfies this same type of unfolding pattern.

Even though all the units are interconnected into giant webs of pulsating energy, we can also view each minute part of the web as a unit. One unit would represent an individual sphere that is constantly pulsating at great speed through all of its different geometric shapes, sort of like a pianist constantly playing scales up and down the piano at great speed. In other works by Seth, we see that he refers to these very structures as Electromagnetic Energy Units, or EE units. Here, we invoke Seth’s guidance again, to understand how these shapes break down into their simplest parts. Seth’s explanation is explained as being simplified, and knowing what we know now about these sphere-based energies, we can see where he might have expanded on the topic.

[Author’s Note: I hope that by this time, we have generated enough interest that this material will be quite fascinating. Don’t rack your brains on Seth’s explanations, as we will clearly refer back to everything important later on. Just relax and open up your imagination.]

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Now: there are electromagnetic structures, so to speak, that are presently beyond your (scientific) instruments, units that are the basic carriers of perception. They have a very brief "life" in your terms. Their size varies. Several units may combine, for example; many units may combine. To put this as simply as possible, it is not so much that they move through space, as that they use space to move through. There is a difference.

[This is extremely similar to Kaku’s discussion of why superstring theory explains that light can travel through a vacuum.]

In a manner of speaking, thermal qualities are involved, and also laws of attraction and repulsion. The units charge the air through which they pass, and draw to them other units. The units are not stationary in the way that, say, a cell is stationary within the body. Even a cell only appears stationary. These units have no "home." They are built up in response to emotional intensity.

They are one form that emotional energy takes. They follow their own rules of attraction and repulsion. As a magnet, you see, will attract with its filaments, so these units attract their own kind and form patterns, which then appear to you as perception.


Now: the fetus utilizes these units. So does any consciousness, including that of a plant. Cells are not just responsive to light because this is the order of things, but because an emotional desire to perceive light is present.

The desire appears on this other level in the form of these electromagnetic units, which then cause a light sensitivity. These units are freewheeling. They can be used in normal perception or what you call extrasensory perception. I will discuss their basic nature at a later session, and I would like to tie this in with the fetus, since the fetus is highly involved with perceptive mechanisms.

("Next session will be fine.")

It is not that you cannot devise instruments to perceive these units. Your scientists are simply asking the wrong questions, and do not think in terms of such freewheeling structures.



SESSION 505, OCTOBER 13, 1969, 9:34 P.M. MONDAY

Good evening.

("Good evening, Seth.")

Now: These units of which we spoke earlier are basically animations rising from consciousness. I am speaking now of the consciousness within each physical particle regardless of its size; of molecular consciousness, cellular consciousness, as well as the larger gestalts of consciousness with which you are usually familiar. Because of Ruburt's limited scientific vocabulary, this is somewhat difficult to explain. Also some of the theories I will present to you in this discussion will be quite unfamiliar to you.

These emanations rise as naturally as breath, and there are other comparisons that can be made, in that there is a coming in and a going out, and transformation within the unit, as what is taken into the lungs, for example, is not the same thing that leaves on the exhale stroke. You could compare these units, simply for an analogy, to the invisible breath of consciousness. This analogy will not carry us far, but it will be enough initially to get the idea across. Breath is, of course, also a pulsation, and these units operate in a pulsating manner. They are emitted by the cells, for example, in plants, animals, rocks, and so forth. They would have color if you were able to perceive them physically.

[Note: We can see here that indeed, the 25,000 year "breath" of the Sun would be a large-scale effect of the energies emerging from the sphere shape that it assumes. Thus, size is unimportant, as these energies can align from the most microscopic to the most massive - such as the hypothesized sphere shape of the universe as it breathes in and out from Big Bang to Big Crunch and back again. The Big Bang would explode in all directions at the same speed, thus producing a sphere.]

They are electromagnetic, in your terms, following their own patterns of positive and negative charge, and following also certain laws of magnetism. In this instance, like definitely attracts like. The emanations are actually emotional tones. The varieties of tones, for all intents and purposes, are infinite.


[Yet, all tones fall somewhere into octaves.]

The units are just beneath the range of physical matter. None are identical. However, there is a structure to them. This structure is beyond the range of electromagnetic qualities as your scientists think of them. Consciousness actually produces these emanations, and they are the basis for any kind of perception, both sensory in usual terms and extrasensory.

We are only beginning this discussion. Later you will see that I am making it simple for you, but you will not understand it unless we start in this manner. I do intend to explain the structure of these units. Now, give us a moment.

These emanations can also appear as sounds, and you will be able to translate them into sounds long before your scientists discover their basic meaning. One of the reasons why they have not been discovered is precisely because they are so cleverly camouflaged within all structures. Being just beyond the range of matter, having a structure but a nonphysical one, and being of a pulsating nature, they can expand or contract. They can completely envelop, for example, a small cell, or retreat to the nucleus within. They combine qualities of a unit and a field, in other words.

There is another reason why they remain a secret from Western scientists. Intensity governs not only their activity and size, but the relative strength of their magnetic nature. They will draw other such units to them, for example, according to the intensity of the emotional tone of the particular consciousness at any given "point."

These units then obviously change constantly. If we must speak in terms of size, then they change in size constantly as they expand and contract. Theoretically there is no limit, you see, to their rate of contraction or expansion.

[Hmm. Therefore, they could easily expand into a pyramid. The essential foundation shape is a sphere. Isn’t a planet or a sun a sphere as well? Now we’re thinking....]

They are also absorbent. They do give off thermal qualities, and these are the only hint that your scientists have received of them so far.

Their characteristics draw them toward constant interchange. Clumps of them (Jane gestured - her delivery was quite emphatic and animated) will be drawn together, literally sealed, only to drop away and disperse once more. They form - and their nature is behind - what is commonly known as air, and they use this to move through. The air, in other words, can be said to be formed by animations of these units.



I will try to clear this later, but the air is the result of these units’ existence, formed by the interrelationship of the units in their positions and relative distance one from the other, and by what you could call the relative velocity of their motion. Air is what happens when these units are in motion, and it is in terms of weather that their electromagnetic effects appear most clearly to scientists, for example.

[This has a lot to do with the effect of the Global Grid, a large - scale formation of these energies, directing wind and water currents in certain directions.]

These units - let us discuss them as they are related to a rock. The rock is composed of atoms and molecules, each with their own consciousness. This forms a gestalt rock consciousness. These units are sent out indiscriminately by the various atoms and molecules, but portions of them are also directed by the overall rock consciousness.

[We can see the precise correlation here with the Ra Material when they described how rock was turned into Pyramid blocks. Ra had said that the entity doing the building needed to "communicate to the intelligence of infinite rock-ness" and command it to displace a portion of itself into a higher frequency of vibration.]


The units are sent out by the rock, informing the rock as to the nature of its changing environment: the angle of the sun and temperature changes, for example, as night falls; and even in the case of a rock, they change as the rock’s loosely called emotional tone changes. As the units change, they alter the air about them which is the result of their own activity.



They constantly emanate out from the rock and return to it in a motion so swift it would seem simultaneous. The units meet with, and to some extent merge with, other units sent out, say, from foliage and all other objects. There is a constant blending, and also attraction and repulsion.

You may take your break, and we will continue.

(10:10. Jane's delivery was quite emphatic and animated through- out. Her trance state was good.)

(The rest of the session was devoted to Seth's interpretation of one of my dreams-Robert Butts.)

SESSION 506, OCTOBER 27, 1969, 9:40 P.M. MONDAY

(Sometime after 9 P.M. Jane and I sat to see if Seth would come through. I told Jane she needn't have a session, but she was willing enough, if Seth decided to. She has been working long hours on her book and has but a couple of chapters to rewrite.)

(Jane has had two recent, excellent and long sessions for her ESP class, however, featuring both Seth and Seth II, and including new material.)

Good evening.

("Good evening, Seth.")

Now: Ruburt need not worry that he has missed a few regular sessions. He has been exercising spontaneity, and paradoxically enough, it is upon spontaneity that the regularity of our sessions depends. Do you follow me?

("Yes.")

Now: the units about which I have been speaking do not have any specific, regular, preordained "life." They will not seem to follow many scientific principles. Since they are the intuitive force just beyond the range of matter, upon which matter is formed, they will not follow the laws of matter, although at times they may mimic the laws of matter.

It is almost impossible to detect an individual unit, for in its dance of activity it constantly becomes a part of other such units, expanding and contracting, pulsating and changing in intensity, in force, and changing polarity. This last is extremely important.

(Pause, one of many.)

With Ruburt's limited vocabulary, this is rather difficult to explain, but it would be as if the positions of your north and south poles changed constantly while maintaining the same relative distance from each other, and by their change in polarity upsetting the stability (pause) of the planet- except that because of the greater comparative strength at the poles of the units (gestures, attempts to draw diagrams in the air), a newer stability is almost immediately achieved after each shifting. Is that much clear?

("Yes.")

[Note here that Seth is making a not - too subtle hint that these units have something to do with Earthen pole shift. This becomes much clearer when we discuss our Great Solar Cycle and its relation to the higher dimensions. Seth already said that the units could expand to the size of a planet. Why else would he choose this particular metaphor?]

The shifting of polarity occurs in rhythm with changing emotional intensities, or emotional energies, if you prefer.

The "initial" originating emotional energy that sets any given unit into motion, and forms it, then causes the unit to become a highly charged electromagnetic field with those characteristics of changing polarities just mentioned. The changing polarities are also caused by attraction and repulsion from other like units which may be attached or detached. There is a rhythm that underlies all of this changing polarity and changing intensities that occur constantly. But the rhythms have to do with the nature of emotional energy itself, and not with the laws of matter.

Without an understanding of these rhythms, the activity of the units would appear haphazard, chaotic, and there would seem to be nothing to hold the units together.

[Remember that modern physicists add two more dimensions to Ramanujan’s functions because they demand symmetry. Seth hints here that this might not be necessary, because the units are founded on emotional energy.]

Indeed, they seem to be flying apart at tremendous speeds. The "nucleus"- now using a cell analogy- if these units were cells, which they are not, then it would be as if the nucleus were constantly changing position, flying off in all directions, dragging the rest of the cell along with it. Do you follow the analogy?

(Yes.)

The units obviously are within the reality of all cells. Now: the initiation point is the basic part of the unit, as the nucleus is the important part of the cell. The initiation point is the originating, unique, individual, and specific emotional energy that forms any given unit. It becomes the entryway into physical matter.

[Seth’s "initiation point" would be the infinitesimally small sphere of the first density, which we would define in classic one - dimensional terms as a "point."]

It is the initial three-sided enclosure from which all matter must spring. The initial point forms the three sides about it. (Gestures; pause.)

[This could be likened unto the formation of the structure of the basic equilateral triangle that forms the sides for all the Platonic solids except the dodecahedron and cube. There is also a possibility that this is a simplified explanation, and the Hindus are more accurate in saying that the sphere crystallizes into the icosahedron.]

There is an explosive nature as the emotional energy is born. The three-sided effect, instantly formed, leads to an effect that is something like friction, but the effect causes (more gestures) the three sides to change position, so that you end up with a triangular effect, closed, with the initial point inside the triangle. Now, you understand this is not a physical form.

("Yes.")

[Note: This has an uncanny resemblance to a very popular metaphysical symbol, one which emerges in crop circles quite frequently. It is possible that this symbol is repeatedly used to define the origin of matter in such metaphysical terms. We cannot rule out that this is a "gateway" form that leads to the second – density icosahedron, either.]

The energy point, from here on, constantly changes the form of the unit, but the procedure I have just mentioned must first occur. The unit may become circular, for example.

[This might have been one of the only shapes that Seth could cite using Jane’s current vocabulary.]

Now these intensities of emotional energy, forming the units, end up by transforming all available space into what they are. Certain intensities and certain positions of polarity between and among the units and great groupings of the units compress energy into solid form (resulting in matter). The emotional energy within the units is obviously the motivating factor, and you can see, then, why emotional energy can indeed shatter a physical object. You may take your break.

[What we approach here is an understanding of the phenomenon of telekinesis, or mind over matter. It might be nothing more than the ability to control the conscious EE units making up the object, then putting them "out of phase" with the pulsations of gravity in order to cause them to rise. This falls quite well in line with the stories given by master yogis regarding their Siddhi powers, as well as the cases of poltergeist activity being traced back to disgruntled teenagers with enormous emotional stress causing the events by telekinetic force. Indeed, in all telekinetic experiments, Wilcock has discovered that the only thing that will get an object to move is the firm mental visualization of it actually moving; that firmness of belief forms the emotional energy.]

(10:10. Jane came out of trance quickly enough, though it had been a good one. At times her delivery had been quite fast. She said she could feel Seth pushing at her to get her to let the material through as clearly as possible without distortion.)

(She also had some images while giving the material, though she could not remember them by break. Usually, she said, she forgets any images, or even whether or not she has had any, unless I specifically ask at once when a session is over or at break. Sometimes, she said, the same images will return to her when she reads a particular session; she then recognizes them.)

(Jane made it a point to mention that in regard to the switch in polarities of the units: "This isn't only with the north and south switching, but opposites anywhere on the rim of the circle [that was used as an analogy], with east and west reversed, for instance.")

(Resume 10:26.)

Now: the intensity of the original emotional energy controls the activity, strength, stability, and relative size of the unit; the rate of its pulsation, and its power to attract and repel other units, as well as its ability to combine with other units.

The behavior of these units changes in the following manner. When a unit is in the act of combining with another, it aligns its components in a characteristic way. When it is separating itself from other units, it will align its components in a different way. The polarities change in each case, within the units. The unit will alter its polarities within itself, adapting the polarity-design of the unit to which it is being attracted; and it will change its polarity away from that design on breaking contact.

Take, for example, five thousand such units aligned together, formed together. They would, of course, be invisible. But if you could view them, each individual unit would have its poles lined up in the same manner. It would look like one single unit - say, it is of circular form - so it would appear like a small globe with the poles lined up as in your earth.

If this large unit were then attracted to another larger one, circular, with the poles running east and west, in your terms, then the first unit would change its own polarity, and all of the units within it would do the same. The energy point would be halfway between these poles, regardless of their position, and it (the energy point) forms the poles. They revolve, therefore, about the energy point. The energy point is indestructible basically.

Its intensity, however, can vary to amazing degrees, so that it could, relatively speaking, be too weak or fall back, not strong enough to form the basis for matter, but to project into another system, perhaps, where less intensity is required for "materialization."

These units may also gain so in intensity and strength that they form relatively permanent structures within your system because of the astonishing energy behind them. Your Stockridge-

(Seth paused; Jane frowned as though groping for a word.)

("Oak Ridge?")

No. (Gesture.) The remains of temples.

("Oh. Baalbek?")

These were places for studies concerning the stars. Observatories.

("Yes?" I thought I probably knew the word Seth/Jane was looking for, but I didn't have time to think and write notes.)

The units so charged with intensive emotional energy formed patterns for matter that retained their strength. Now these units, while appearing within your system, may also have a reality outside it, propelling the emotional energy units through the world of matter entirely. These units, as I told you, are indestructible. They can, however, lose or gain power, fall back into intensities beneath matter, or go through matter, appearing as matter as they do so and projecting through your system.

We will deal with that portion of their activity separately. In such cases, however, they are in a point of transition obviously and in a state of becoming. You may take a break or end the session as you prefer.

("I guess we'd better end it.")

I wanted to give you this material.

("It's very interesting.")

It is only a beginning. I would disregard the analogies if you did not need them. A fond good evening.

("Good evening, Seth.")

(10:45. After we talked a bit, I deduced that Seth/Jane had been trying for the word "Stonehenge," meaning the ancient Druidic stone monoliths arranged in a circle in England, etc. Jane then said this was the word Seth had been trying to get her to say. She didn't know why it didn't come out while in trance, since she knows the word and what it stands for.)

[Note: The author has had similar things happen, wherein the force behind the words was trying to express a word that, for whatever reason, it could not find in the mind of the individual. In these cases, the word must get pushed out syllable by syllable, and there may well be distortions. The author was able to get accurate Japanese sentences at one point, with almost no knowledge of the language, but certain syllables in the words were slightly incorrect.]



SESSION 509, NOVEMBER 24, 1969, 9:10 P.M. MONDAY

(Today Jane had been reading Experimental Psychology by C. G. Jung, first American edition, published by Jung's heirs in 1968. We hadn't asked Seth to comment.)

Good evening.

("Good evening, Seth.")


The conscious ego rises, indeed, out of the "unconscious," but the unconscious, being the creator of the ego, is necessarily far more conscious than its offspring. The ego is simply not conscious enough to be able to contain the vast knowledge that belongs to the inner conscious self from which it springs.

[Thus, we have an explanation for where Ramanujan’s information was coming from. Apparently, his ego was conscious enough to contain some of it, and within three years of full - blown academic research in Europe, he died.]

It is this inner self, out of massive knowledge and the unlimited scope of its consciousness, that forms the physical world and provides stimuli to keep the outer ego constantly at the job of awareness. It is the inner self, here termed the inner ego, that organizes, initiates, projects, and controls the EE (electromagnetic energy) units of which we have been speaking, transforming energy into objects, into matter.

The energy of this inner self is used by it to form from itself- from inner experience- a material counterpart in which the outer ego then can act out its role. The outer ego then acts out a play that the inner self has written. This is not to say that the outer ego is a puppet. It is to say that the outer ego is far less conscious than the inner ego, that its perception is less, that it is far less stable though it makes great pretense of stability, that it springs from the inner self and is therefore less, rather than more, aware.

The outer ego is spoon-fed, being given only those feelings and emotions, only that data, that it can handle. This data is presented to it in a highly specialized manner, usually in terms of information picked up by the physical senses.

The inner self or ego is not only conscious, but conscious of itself, both as an individuality apart from others and as an individuality that is a part of all other consciousness. In your terms, it is continually aware, both of this apartness and unity-with. The outer ego is not continuously aware of anything. It frequently forgets itself. When it becomes swept up in a strong emotion it seems to lose itself; there is unity, then, but no sense of apartness. When it most vigorously maintains its sense of individuality, it is no longer aware of unity-with.

Now: the EE (electromagnetic energy) units are the forms that basic experience takes when directed by this inner self. These, then, form physical objects, physical matter. Matter, in other words, is the shape that basic experience takes when it intrudes into three-dimensional systems. Matter is the shape of your dreams. Your dreams, thoughts, and emotions are literally transformed into physical matter purposefully by this inner self.

The individual inner self, then, through constant massive effort of great creative intensity, cooperates with all other inner selves to form and maintain the physical reality that you know, so that physical reality is an offshoot or by-product of the highly conscious inner self.

[It is very obvious here that this is the "holographic universe" theory in action, well before it emerged in books such as Michael Talbot’s, of the same name. We really are living in a collective visualization, or a three-dimensional hologram of thought. The reason why we can’t walk through walls is that we are by far not the only ones creating them.]

Buildings appear to be made of rock or stone or steel. They appear fairly permanent to the physical senses. They are actually oscillating, ever-moving, highly charged gestalts of EE units ("beneath," say, any atomic particles), organized and maintained by the collective efforts on the part of inner selves. They (the buildings) are solidfied emotions, solidified subjective states, given physical materialization.

[It is also easy to see here that the more densely populated an area is, the greater charge there can be on the physical objects built there. This is one reason why cities can be extremely damaging to the psychic work process. They will often have a great deal of stored energy, which can be predominantly chaotic and negative due to the hardships and crowding faced by many people. These chaotic emotions translate directly into energy that enters into the structures.]

The powers of consciousness are clearly not understood, then. Each individual has his part to play in projecting these EE units into physical actuality. Therefore, physical matter can be legitimately described as an extension of the self, as much as the physical body is a projection of the inner self.

It is obvious that the body grows up about the inner self, and that trees grow out of the ground, whereas buildings do not spring up like flowers of their own accord; so the inner self has various methods of creation and uses the EE units in different ways, as you shall see as we continue with the discussion.

Having determined upon physical reality as a dimension in which it will express itself, the inner self, first of all, takes care to form and maintain the physical basis upon which all else must depend; the properties of earth that can be called natural ones. The inner self has a vast and infinite reservoir from which to draw knowledge and experience. All kinds of choices are available, and the diversity of physical matter is a reflection of this deep source of variety.

With the natural structures formed and maintained, other secondary physical properties - secondary constructions - are projected. The deepest, most basic and abiding subjective experience is translated, however, into those natural elements: the ample landscape that sustains physical life. We will continue with this discussion at our next session.

Jung enlarged on some of his concepts shortly before he died. (Leaning forward, humorously emphatic.) He has changed a good many of them since then. Now you may take a break or end the session as you prefer.

("We'll take the break.")

(10:30 P.M. Jane said she thought the delivery had taken perhaps ten minutes instead of the twenty-five it had actually taken. Resume at 10:43.)

We will shortly end the session. Suffice it to say, however, that in the future what I am telling you will be more generally known. Men will become familiar to some extent with their own inner identity, with other forms of their own consciousness.

Throughout the ages, some have recognized the fact that there is self-consciousness and purpose in certain dream and sleep states, and have maintained, even in waking life, the sense of continuity of this inner self. To such people it is no longer possible to identify completely with the ego consciousness. They are too obviously aware of themselves as more. When such knowledge is gained, the ego can accept it, for it finds to its surprise that it is not less conscious, but more, that its limitations are dissipated.

Now: it is not true- and I emphasize this strongly- that so-called unconscious material, given any freedom, will draw energy away from the egotistically organized self in a normal personality. Quite the contrary, the ego is replenished and rather directly. It is the fear that the "unconscious" is chaotic that causes psychologists to make such statements. There is also something in the nature of those who practice psychology: a fascination, in many cases, already predisposed to fear the "unconscious" in direct proportion to its attraction for them.

The ego maintains its stability, its seeming stability, and its health, from the constant subconscious and unconscious nourishment which it receives. Too much nourishment will not kill it. Do you follow me here?

("Yes.")

Only when such nourishment is for some reason cut off to a considerable degree is the ego threatened by starvation. We will have more to say concerning the ego's relationship with the "unconscious." In a healthy personality, the inner self easily projects all experience into EE units, where they are translated into actuality. Physical matter, therefore, acts as a feedback. Now we will end our session, unless you have questions.

("I guess not. It's been very interesting.")

My heartiest regards and a fond good evening to you both.



So with this segment, we can easily begin to pick up how familiar our Higher Selves must be with these units of consciousness. Seth essentially says that each sphere, pulsating its way through the different geometric shapes, could be likened unto one of these EE units. He stresses repeatedly that these EE units make up our entire physical reality, and we can well begin to get a glimpse of the far-reaching metaphysical realities that underlie these units. Since they are formed by consciousness, we create them constantly, whether we are aware of it or not, through our own thoughts. They can hold certain specific emotional energy charges, and emotional energies are often rooted in the archetypal systems, which we will briefly discuss.

Archetypes and the Harmonic Dimensions

Archetypes are often mentioned, but few people really understand them, so we will explore them for a moment. Essentially, the theory behind the archetypes is that all life experiences that anyone could have may be refined and organized into a common series of events. Each archetypal event would then be a necessary part of learning our lessons in Spiritual Growth in order to advance further. According to Ra, part of the way that this harmonic structure of the universe works is that there are certain lessons that each dimension teaches us, that we must pass through in order to achieve the vibratory level necessary for the next level. Each vibratory level, then, could be likened unto an archetype for a specific lesson that needs to be learned, for each of the three parts of our being; spiritual, mental, and physical.

Here we enter the major arcana of the Tarot cards, which was based on the sephiroth, from the Jewish mystical system known as the Cabala. It is a longstanding tradition among mystics that both Tarot and Cabalistic systems, each having 22 archetypes, contain the full spectrum of learning experiences necessary for self - perfection, which would be returning to the One, or the Octave, a full reunion with God. It is then fascinating to see that these 22 can be likened unto three "scales" of seven, (7 x 3 = 21,) with the 22nd archetype, the Fool, existing outside of the others as a separate card. This peculiar character of the Fool is constantly referred to in books on the Tarot; the Fool in and of itself stands separate from the rest of the deck.

We can then take The Fool as representing an archetype of the starting point for all three levels given, as the One will always be the same, never divided. Thus, if we apply the Fool, as the One, to the beginning of each set of seven, we get 8 x 3, or Ramanujan’s mystical number of 24.

The definition of the Fool is interesting, in that it depicts a man walking forward at the edge of a cliff, with a stick that has a small purse at the end of it, which is balanced over his shoulder. He looks to the sky and holds a flower in his other hand, apparently walking totally unaware of the cliff he stands in front of, while a white dog barks incessantly at him, trying to warn him of the danger. The purse is supposed to be the stored up knowledge of universal memory, which he carries with him. A quote from Sidney and Bennett’s book on the Tarot reads, "It is said that the Fool "possesses the foolishness of God, which is greater than the wisdom of men.""

What exactly is the Fool telling us? Why would a full consciousness of God lead us to being so haphazard in the care for our own lives? This is only the outer meaning of the archetype. The deeper meaning is that the Fool knows that he can trust God completely, and thus he does not perceive any obstacles as actually existing in reality. The dog would represent our lower, more animal natures, which bark out in anger at the slightest thought of our having this blind trust, fully seeing the pitfalls and dangers lying ahead. But the Fool, in his or her love for the One, simply has complete faith.

It could well be stated, then, that for anyone to fully attain this wisdom in the material plane, they would be so obviously out of place as to appear a fool, moron or idiot. Yet, time and time again, this unwavering faith proves itself to be of the highest caliber. We are reminded of the Biblical story about how Jesus and his disciples are out on a boat in the sea, and a horrible storm comes up, which scares the men so badly that they beg Jesus to wake up and deal with it. Jesus, rising from his slumber and probably grumbling to himself, walks out to the edge of the boat, sleepily raises his hands and promptly dissipates the storm. He then chastises his apostles, saying that they have no faith.

Indeed, as we explore the true multidimensional nature of the Great Cycle that is now ending, and explore how the events surrounding it are fraught with catastrophe and disaster, we need to be able to trust in the fact that the Ascension will really occur. If we do not have the faith, we will never know if we would have been right until it has already passed. Apparently, there will be more than one chance, but it is important to prepare ourselves for this first, most spectacular event. This is exactly what was promised to us by the highest spiritual forces ever to appear on Earth, and the promise will not go unfulfilled. On a hyperdimensional physics level, it is a simple question of expanding our vibration to accommodate the next note up in the scale, which we already do every night in dreams. The only difference this time is that we will be going there to stay, because we have earned it, through our diligent personal growth process.

Getting back to our discussion, it appears that each frequency on the octave is related to certain specific archetypes, which one must go through to fulfill our curriculum for returning to God, or the One, as perfected beings. Therefore, there would be certain emotional phases associated with these units that would remain as constants throughout the universe. The three cycles of seven cards correspond to the initiation of the body, mind and spirit, emphasizing our need to address all three areas equally in our spiritual growth process.

Each area of our being represents a unique and separate challenge, even if the actions that we take for that challenge are about the same. Thus, choosing to eat a purified diet initiates the body, by making it more vital and healthy, and resisting its addictive, genetically based cravings. The diet also initiates the mind, through the discipline of respectfully denying the Self the gratification that it constantly is begging for. The initiation of Spirit comes through knowing that by doing this, you are acting on behalf of God’s will, and in so doing, raising your vibratory level. You can probably tell that this is a simplified example, but it will do for now.

Interestingly, the author has learned that the actual act of drawing the Tarot cards and having the reading be accurate will often involve the subconscious storage of EE units corresponding to the emotional energy of that particular archetype inside the card. Your subconscious mind, which can exert influence over the body, can tell you what the right card to pick is just by passing your hand over it. Each card could then be likened unto a little magnet, programmed with its own EE unit emotional charge, waiting to be renewed. The act of concentration while shuffling the cards puts the consciousness power back into them, which reinvigorates the stored blueprints of energy patterns inside them.

Then, after tuning into the cards, in nothing more than a light to moderate trance, the reader can instinctively grab the card their Total Self is looking for, and thus the cycle is completed. Each Tarot reading spread has several cards, and invariably there are certain positions that are for the future. Thus, the Total Self, influencing the subtle act of drawing cards, can tell the reader what the strongest future probabilities are in the present term. This ingenuous system is actually behind the vast majority of self - declared "psychics" who do readings for people, and in the hands of an attuned person who already understands the spiritual growth curriculum indicated in the cards, much great work can be done. The only time required to be in trance is when the cards themselves are drawn, and sheer analysis usually produces the answers after that point.

One time, someone told Wilcock that the Tarot cards were evil. He responded by saying that if a person uses the English language to speak evil things, does that then mean that the English language is evil? Certainly not. Knowing what we now do about the structure of the dimensions, and that it is a growth curriculum that we can actually complete on Earth, we can easily see the Tarot cards as a sort of alphabet of the collective consciousness that gives rise to our universe.

This whole discussion of "consciousness units" also gives credence to the claims of psychometrists, those people who can pick up a personal item of an unknown person and uncover what types of emotions that person is feeling. Wilcock himself did this after reading about it in high school, and obtained some very interesting results. This ability can also be used to find lost objects, calling out to the energy that is already stored in the object to bring about its return. At one point, Wilcock had lost his high school ring for many months, and after strongly visualizing its return, it was promptly found under the heat by his mother within two days. His mother had no idea that he had lost the ring or wished for its return.

It could well be that Wilcock magnetized the energy stored inside the ring, turning it into a signal beacon which then influenced his mother’s subconscious to clean in that particular spot. This is, essentially, the process of creative visualization, or the idea, originally coined by Seth and by far his most famous quote, "You create your own reality." All objects are essentially nothing more than thought forms.

In other works, Seth repeatedly indicates that the body, and in fact all matter, is constantly turning on and off, or pulsating through the different dimensions. Each EE unit must cycle through all of the dimensions in the octave constantly, at tremendous speed. What this proves is that there really is no such thing as a dimension: in one sense, they are all blending directly into each other constantly. What is so fascinating about this is the idea that it is our perceptions, our thoughts, which hold together the level of reality that we are on.

Thus, our current bodies and minds are creating our world each moment, by allowing us to only focus on the yellow octahedral stage of the sphere as it pulsates through its motions. Yet, were we able to alter our focus to perceive the green star tetrahedral stage, then we would only perceive that realm. Our physical bodies would still exist in the third dimension, as that part of ourselves is focused, and belongs there. In order to go to a higher dimensional space, we have to do it in a body that is essentially less physical, or a form of conscious energy. In fact, the Hindu cosmology associates the seven chakras with seven different energy bodies, and thus in a sense we have seven different forms, all of which we could use for travel in each of the densities.

This is essentially what happens when we have a dream or an out of body experience. We leave our physical bodies where they belong in the third dimension, and use a higher form of body that is only conscious of those times when the geometric energy is focused in the realm of the cube, for example. In the series of books by Carlos Castenada about his workings as an anthropology graduate student with a Yaqui Indian from the Sonora Desert in Mexico, named Don Juan, we see this same thing emerge. Don Juan was a shaman, a man who had free access to these higher dimensions. His method for entering into these higher realms is, interestingly, very close to what we are saying here.

What Don Juan said you must do to enter these worlds is to stop your mind from all conscious thought. At first this seems only able to be done by the most intense Eastern gurus, after years of practice and meditation. This practice was referred to by the shamans as "Stopping the World." Don Juan explained that we have different "rings of power" that we use to create the world that is around us, and that if we can stop thinking about physical reality, we will no longer be conscious within it, and our consciousness will move to higher levels. This process would basically be akin to stopping yourself from having any thoughts and in doing so you quite naturally get very close to falling asleep. Indeed, the whole key is not to fall asleep while doing this.


In order to short-circuit the process, Carlos Castenada went through a brutal initiation through the use of hardcore psychedelic compounds discovered by the shamans, such as peyote, psilocybin mushrooms and Jimson weed. Don Juan would use these compounds to guide Carlos through an initiation into these higher worlds, with the idea that eventually the compounds would no longer be necessary for the access. Carlos was especially resilient to his training and thus he "tripped out" many times before he got the message.

The author would like to state at this point that in Nature of Personal Reality, Seth makes it very clear that the ingestion of LSD can be of significant and long - lasting harm to the individual. Seth states that the whole personality structure is essentially shattered into many different scattered pieces, which must then be identified and reconstructed anew. Thus, despite the fact that Castenada’s initiation took on such a form, the use of any chemical substances of any kind for spiritual growth is strongly contra-indicated by the author. The planetary energies are now strong enough that these states may be accessed with ease in a good, solid meditation.

In the next chapter, we will begin opening up our discussion of these units and their forces, by investigating another means by which these truths were being demonstrated to us – through the metaphor of the crop circle formations.

http://www.dprins.demon.nl/convergence/9912.html
The inner ego is always aware of both aspects and is organized about its primary aspect which is creativity. It constantly translates the components of its gestalt into reality - either physical reality through the EE units I have mentioned, or into other realities equally as valid.
If you only knew the magnificence of the 3, 6 and 9, then you would have a key to the universe.
— Nikola Tesla
Casting Out the Nines from PHI into Indigs reveals the Cosmic Harmonic Code.
— Junglelord.
Knowledge is Structured in Consciouness. Structure and Function Cannot Be Seperated.
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Re: From Why an Aether

Unread post by lizzie » Thu Mar 12, 2009 6:27 am

Science of Consciousness
http://lifeforcegenie.com/science-of-consciousness.html
Dr Tiller has developed an amazing theoretical model of how consciousness can operate through a conjugate 4D space alongside our 4D physical reality, and how higher dimensions can be introduced into our physics to explore interactions with other aspects of existence such as "spirit".

Dr Tiller has also conducted "breakthrough" experiments to demonstrate, beyond a shadow of a doubt, that consciousness can manifest observable changes in 4D reality
Hemispheric Reversal in the Brain
http://sciet.com/html/hemispheres.html

The ability to function simultaneously in more than one dimension
http://www.alliancesforhumanity.com/cha ... rts3&8.htm

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Re: From Why an Aether

Unread post by Lloyd » Thu Mar 12, 2009 8:24 pm

* Junglelord said:
Here is what Seth has to say about consciousness.
* You quoted an awful lot of stuff. How about picking out the most relevant paragraph or two for us and commenting on why it's relevant?
* Lizzie's quote said:
Dr Tiller has developed an amazing theoretical model of how consciousness can operate through a conjugate 4D space alongside our 4D physical reality, and how higher dimensions can be introduced into our physics to explore interactions with other aspects of existence such as "spirit". Dr Tiller has also conducted "breakthrough" experiments to demonstrate, beyond a shadow of a doubt, that consciousness can manifest observable changes in 4D reality
* Yes, but what if 4D reality consists of consciousness, i.e. either perceptions or thoughts or some type that we're not familiar with? It makes sense that consciousness would be able to make changes in 4D reality, if 4D reality is consciousness, wouldn't it? After all, we, being consciousness, can change our own individual consciousnesses.
* Would it be more disappointing if reality turned out to be all consciousness, than if it were non-consciousness?

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Re: From Why an Aether

Unread post by junglelord » Fri Mar 13, 2009 11:41 am

Well, Seth teaches that each electron is a consciousness unit.
When we take into consideration a consious field, that is not divisible from the distributed charge that we do accept, then we will understand why an electron is a consious unit. Indians teach that rocks, trees, animals, man, all posess the same conscious field.
If you only knew the magnificence of the 3, 6 and 9, then you would have a key to the universe.
— Nikola Tesla
Casting Out the Nines from PHI into Indigs reveals the Cosmic Harmonic Code.
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Re: From Why an Aether

Unread post by allynh » Fri Mar 13, 2009 12:40 pm

Lloyd, check out this great video by Peter Russell.

The Primacy of Consciousness
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid ... 0789&ei=en

He said everything in that lecture that is going to take me 30m to 40m words of Story to tell.

The video is available for sale from his website.

Peter Russell: The Spirit of Now
http://www.peterrussell.com/index2.php

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Re: From Why an Aether

Unread post by Grey Cloud » Fri Mar 13, 2009 3:14 pm

Hi allynh,
Great video, thanks. Well worth the watching.
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but people delight in complexity.
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Re: From Why an Aether

Unread post by Lloyd » Sun Mar 15, 2009 9:28 pm

* Well, I listened to Peter most of the way, skipping some of the early parts. Nice to see that others have given this some thought too.
* He said the experiments to prove the theory that everything is consciousness are to be done in the mind. Seems true enough.
* He said something like "Earth, sun, moon and stars move inside me", quoting a mystic. I think it's better to say parts of those bodies move in all of us, but the fundamental existence of them moves in the "all-person".
* He didn't say much about the subconscious, but I think that's where the major consciousness is. I think it's where the all-person is, i.e. God.
* His comments about light are a bit hard to understand. He said the movement of light from its point of emission to its point of absorbtion often seems like great distances to us, but that the distance is an illusion, or creation of the mind. If matter, space, time etc are similar illusory creations of the mind, it seems to me that it doesn't make distance unreal, it just makes it apply to something other than an assumed external universe. Instead of distance applying to the universe of matter etc, it applies to the all-mind, i.e. superconsciousness. All of those galaxies & substances and voids in the universe are in the superconsciousness.
* We are small particles of the superconscious, which get to grow & function like our progenitor in miniature.
* Peter didn't seem to get around to discussing the importance of caring. Love means Respect and means Caring. As I mentioned earlier, without people having the quality of caring, science would not exist. If we don't care about anything, we're not interested in anything. You can't be a scientist if you don't care about anything. So caring is also a fundamental kind of consciousness - the most important kind of all. People probably don't normally think of being interested in something as the same as love, but I don't see a major difference in the different kinds of caring, i.e. caring about experience and caring about one or more persons.

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Re: From Why an Aether

Unread post by allynh » Sun Mar 15, 2009 10:39 pm

Lloyd, if you get the chance come back to the Russell video from time to time and work through it. Don't worry about getting the concept right away. It took me a long time, and many stumbles, to understand what he is saying.

Basically, the part where he is talking about the photon is based on the fact that the photon does not experience time, so to a photon the various atoms are all touching.

John Dobson mentions the same thing in the documentary A Sidewalk Astronomer. This is the movie trailer, and this is the website for the documentary where you can order it.

Dobson doesn't know about plasma cosmology, etc... I thought of contacting him and pointing to links to get his opinion, but he is in his 90s and I'd hate to slow him down now. He's having so much fun.

Remember, the journey is the whole point of life, not the destination; so have fun along the way.

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Re: From Why an Aether

Unread post by Lloyd » Mon Mar 16, 2009 5:53 pm

I mentioned a dream I had this morning on this subject here:
http://thunderbolts.info/wp/forum/phpBB3/v ... 716#p18716

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