Miles Mathis and his Charge Field

[Lloyd]

Last Main MM Statements of Battery Circuit Paper
(This sign > means I'll comment on the statement below.)
_103 Following Huygens principle, we can imagine the photons fanning out (of the wire), as from a point source.
>_104 That fanning out ruins the ability of the photons to cohere the field inside the bulb.
_106 If the field is supposed to be modulated by frequency for instance, that fanning out is changing the frequency.
>_110 Induction requires a resonance, and a fan can't create this resonance.
_111 But if we allow even two point sources to enter the bulb simultaneously, with some separation, the local field can read the information in the new photons.
_112 How. _Because the two new fans will cross. _One new influence won't create a pattern, two will.
_113 Remember that waves are basically very simple fixed patterns. _It is these waves we are modulating in some fashion to create the induction.
>_119 The field in the bulb can therefore be made like the field in the battery, and we have induction.
_121 But if that is so, then why does the induction cease when the wires are cut.
_123 In real wireless, do we continue to have transmission when the conductor is turned off. _No.
_124 The reason for this is that the ambient field rushes back in in both cases, rescrambling the paths.
_132 This means that the neutral wire is not really neutral, it is just relatively neutral.
_138 S is the statistical linear motion of the photons, before we prime the field. _It is the linear motion before the induction and before the “circuit” is created.
>_139 After the mutual induction takes place, and the fields are cohered, then E will be created.
_140 5) Anytime you have information that moves at the speed of light, you should assume you have photons involved, not electrons.
>_142 7) Like everything else, electrical induction is a mechanical process. _It is photons colliding with other photons, and informing them via a resonance; just as one river entering a larger river will be informed by that river (as a matter of speed, say).
_143 8) The wires in a simple circuit perform precisely the same field priming that a conductor does in wireless. _That is, the wires produce the initial induction, and after that, the field of the battery can pass to the receiver with or without the wires.
>_144 And finally, we have learned that different substances actually create different charge. _We can deduce this just from the fact that we need induction. _If all elementary particles and atoms and molecules were emitting the same charge photons, then we wouldn't need induction.
_148 The size and shape of the emitters determine the characteristics of the charge. _This means that we might create induction, or maximize it, by making our receivers out of the same material as our emitters.

My Comments
Here are the main statements that I don't understand. Most of the other statements I either consider plausible or repetitious.
_104 That fanning out (from the conductor) ruins the ability of the photons to cohere the field inside the bulb.
_L104 I don't understand when the electric current photons would need to leave the conductor.
_110 Induction requires a resonance, and a fan can't create this resonance.
_L110 Can someone explain MM's meanings of induction and resonance here?
_119 The field in the bulb can therefore be made like the field in the battery, and we have induction.
_L119 What are the fields like in the battery and in the bulb?
_139 After the mutual induction takes place, and the fields are cohered, then E will be created.
_L139 Is E the electric current or what?
_142 7) Like everything else, electrical induction is a mechanical process. _It is photons colliding with other photons, and informing them via a resonance; just as one river entering a larger river will be informed by that river (as a matter of speed, say).
_L142 Does anyone have an idea what he means here?
_144 And finally, we have learned that different substances actually create different charge. _We can deduce this just from the fact that we need induction. _If all elementary particles and atoms and molecules were emitting the same charge photons, then we wouldn't need induction.
_L144 It's interesting to think that different substances emit different photons. But, since protons do most of the emitting, and since they're all alike, how would different photons be emitted?

[LongtimeAirman]

Lloyd,

- Airman, by e and h components, did you mean those components of photons, where e is the forward motion and h is the outer spin?
Ans. Yes. When I say components, I tend to refer to the aggregate forward momentun or torque delivered.
- By current flow, did you mean the flow of photons?
Ans. "Current flow" should be reserved for conventional electrons. Photon flow is charge flow. A “byproduct” of charge flow is electron current flow.
- Can you guys explain what Mathis' statements mean in the first paragraph here?
Ans. The “B-field river” is the photon charge flow in and near a wire (also known as channeling). Photon charge flows can be created in any way that causes electrons to flow (the electron movement is evidence of the photon flow). Photon charge flows can also be created in any number of ways. There are photon charge flows occurring around and through all matter continuously by virtue of the matter's atomic configuration and the ambient unified charge field.
Wires
- In #27, what did he mean by the wires being extensions of the battery? If the battery is large ions separated from small ions, are the wires supposed to be ionized with large and small ions too? If so, what are the ions and where are they?
Ans.
This idea is already part of conventional electrical theory. Given an open circuit, the portion of the circuit connected to the high voltage side will be measured at that high voltage potential. Likewise for the low voltage side. For charge flow, we have a light speed connection that appears more like a transmission antenna. The ions of the battery aren't traveling to the circuit, but the ions do limit the amount of charge density available to the circuit.

I'm still working, Yikes! New questions!

REMCB

[Chromium6]

Last Main MM Statements of Battery Circuit Paper
(This sign > means I'll comment on the statement below.)
_103 Following Huygens principle, we can imagine the photons fanning out (of the wire), as from a point source.
>_104 That fanning out ruins the ability of the photons to cohere the field inside the bulb.
_106 If the field is supposed to be modulated by frequency for instance, that fanning out is changing the frequency.
>_110 Induction requires a resonance, and a fan can't create this resonance.
_111 But if we allow even two point sources to enter the bulb simultaneously, with some separation, the local field can read the information in the new photons.
_112 How. _Because the two new fans will cross. _One new influence won't create a pattern, two will.
_113 Remember that waves are basically very simple fixed patterns. _It is these waves we are modulating in some fashion to create the induction.
>_119 The field in the bulb can therefore be made like the field in the battery, and we have induction.
_121 But if that is so, then why does the induction cease when the wires are cut.
_123 In real wireless, do we continue to have transmission when the conductor is turned off. _No.
_124 The reason for this is that the ambient field rushes back in in both cases, rescrambling the paths.
_132 This means that the neutral wire is not really neutral, it is just relatively neutral.
_138 S is the statistical linear motion of the photons, before we prime the field. _It is the linear motion before the induction and before the “circuit” is created.
>_139 After the mutual induction takes place, and the fields are cohered, then E will be created.
_140 5) Anytime you have information that moves at the speed of light, you should assume you have photons involved, not electrons.
>_142 7) Like everything else, electrical induction is a mechanical process. _It is photons colliding with other photons, and informing them via a resonance; just as one river entering a larger river will be informed by that river (as a matter of speed, say).
_143 8) The wires in a simple circuit perform precisely the same field priming that a conductor does in wireless. _That is, the wires produce the initial induction, and after that, the field of the battery can pass to the receiver with or without the wires.
>_144 And finally, we have learned that different substances actually create different charge. _We can deduce this just from the fact that we need induction. _If all elementary particles and atoms and molecules were emitting the same charge photons, then we wouldn't need induction.
_148 The size and shape of the emitters determine the characteristics of the charge. _This means that we might create induction, or maximize it, by making our receivers out of the same material as our emitters.

My Comments
Here are the main statements that I don't understand. Most of the other statements I either consider plausible or repetitious.
_104 That fanning out (from the conductor) ruins the ability of the photons to cohere the field inside the bulb.
_L104 I don't understand when the electric current photons would need to leave the conductor.
_110 Induction requires a resonance, and a fan can't create this resonance.
_L110 Can someone explain MM's meanings of induction and resonance here?
_119 The field in the bulb can therefore be made like the field in the battery, and we have induction.
_L119 What are the fields like in the battery and in the bulb?
_139 After the mutual induction takes place, and the fields are cohered, then E will be created.
_L139 Is E the electric current or what?
_142 7) Like everything else, electrical induction is a mechanical process. _It is photons colliding with other photons, and informing them via a resonance; just as one river entering a larger river will be informed by that river (as a matter of speed, say).
_L142 Does anyone have an idea what he means here?
_144 And finally, we have learned that different substances actually create different charge. _We can deduce this just from the fact that we need induction. _If all elementary particles and atoms and molecules were emitting the same charge photons, then we wouldn't need induction.
_L144 It's interesting to think that different substances emit different photons. But, since protons do most of the emitting, and since they're all alike, how would different photons be emitted?

This product and video below may give a few hints for wireless transfer from the Mathis' perspective. Great questions and perspective on induction. Perhaps, Induction starts the differential charge flow?

I have already explained the conduction of Copper above, but now you see for yourself the differential
from top to bottom. If you want magnetism, you look for elements with equal numbers of protons top
and bottom. If you want electrical conduction, you look for a differential. I already showed this in a
previous paper concerning Silver. This differential is what gives your photon field a summed direction.
You don't want charge and anticharge cancelling one another in terms of linear motion, so you want
charge moving more strongly than anticharge. That is what we see diagrammed here with Copper.

http://milesmathis.com/per4.pdf

Highly Resonant Wireless Power Transfer: Safe, Efficient, and Over Distance

WiTricity White Paper

2013

Morris Kesler
This article explores the advances in wireless power technology enabled by the use of highly resonant wireless power transfer, how those advances are being applied across a broad spectrum of applications, and how they address the safety concerns in typical applications.
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Tesla Wireless Power Transfer - Full - RARE VID

(Posted elsewhere on Thunderbolts, I think in one of the Eric Dollard threads. People in the crowd were fairly critical of the "ground" wire in use.)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GwKYKJrtH2o

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History

Long-distance electromagnetic telegraph systems from 1820 onwards[citation needed] used two or more wires to carry the signal and return currents. It was then discovered, probably by the German scientist Carl August Steinheil in 1836–1837,[1] that the ground could be used as the return path to complete the circuit, making the return wire unnecessary. However, there were problems with this system, exemplified by the transcontinental telegraph line constructed in 1861 by the Western Union Company between Saint Joseph, Missouri, and Sacramento, California. During dry weather, the ground connection often developed a high resistance, requiring water to be poured on the ground rod to enable the telegraph to work or phones to ring.

Later, when telephony began to replace telegraphy, it was found that the currents in the earth induced by power systems, electrical railways, other telephone and telegraph circuits, and natural sources including lightning caused unacceptable interference to the audio signals, and the two-wire or 'metallic circuit' system was reintroduced around 1883.[2]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ground_%28electricity%29

[LongtimeAirman]

My comments,
*_103 Following Huygens principle, we can imagine the photons fanning out, as from a point source.
A_103.  Agree. Discontinuities at the bulb and filament interfere with the charge flow. Each discontinuity is a new source. The description is wave theory oversimplified for discussion sake.
*_104 That fanning out ruins the ability of the photons to cohere the field inside the bulb.
A_104. Agree. In the simple case.
*_106 If the field is supposed to be modulated by frequency for instance, that fanning out is changing the frequency.
A_106. Agree.
*_110 Induction requires a resonance, and a fan can't create this resonance.
A_110. Agree.  (I had to do an induction review).
*_111 But if we allow even two point sources to enter the bulb simultaneously, with some separation, the local field can read the information in the new photons.
A_111. Agree.  Interference patterns. Transferring information across fields (?).
*_112 How. _Because the two new fans will cross. _One new influence won't create a pattern, two will.
A_112. Agree. We actually have many discontinuities to work with.
*_113 Remember that waves are basically very simple fixed patterns. _It is these waves we are modulating in some fashion to create the induction.
A_113. Agree. 
*_119 The field in the bulb can therefore be made like the field in the battery, and we have induction.
A_119. Somewhat agree. Wouldn't the information from the  battery "field" be just  density?  Is the charge density a time-varying field in the battery that is now present in the bulb?
*_121 But if that is so, then why does the induction cease when the wires are cut.
A_121. Agree. I must be missing a point here.
*_123 In real wireless, do we continue to have transmission when the conductor is turned off. _No.
A_123. Agree.
*_124 The reason for this is that the ambient field rushes back in in both cases, rescrambling the paths.
A_124. Agree.
*_132 This means that the neutral wire is not really neutral, it is just relatively neutral.
A_132. Agree.
*_138 S is the statistical linear motion of the photons, before we prime the field. _It is the linear motion before the induction and before the “circuit” is created.
A_138. Somewhat agree. S can change to E when the circuit is tuned (primed?).
*_139 After the mutual induction takes place, and the fields are cohered, then E will be created.
A_139. Agreed. I need to spend more time to understand.
*_140 5) Anytime you have information that moves at the speed of light, you should assume you have photons involved, not electrons.
A_140 5) . Agreed.
*_142 7) Like everything else, electrical induction is a mechanical process. _It is photons colliding with other photons, and informing them via a resonance; just as one river entering a larger river will be informed by that river (as a matter of speed, say).
A_142 7) Agreed. There are also resultant sum and difference charges created.
*_143 8) The wires in a simple circuit perform precisely the same field priming that a conductor does in wireless. _That is, the wires produce the initial induction, and after that, the field of the battery can pass to the receiver with or without the wires.
A_143 8) Somewhat disagree. Miles earlier said that cutting the wires allows the ambient field to rush back in.
*_144 And finally, we have learned that different substances actually create different charge. _We can deduce this just from the fact that we need induction. _If all elementary particles and atoms and molecules were emitting the same charge photons, then we wouldn't need induction.
A_144. Agreed. Ok, an important point I now realize is that it is not just charge density that differs at the terminals, but also the charge frequency (or energy), due to the differing anode and cathode materials.
*_148 The size and shape of the emitters determine the characteristics of the charge. _This means that we might create induction, or maximize it, by making our receivers out of the same material as our emitters.
A_148. Agreed. Size, shape and material determine the characteristics.

This exercise definitely improved my understanding of the subject matter.

REMCB

[LongtimeAirman]

Answering Lloyd Comments,
Lloyd said: Here are the main statements that I don't understand. Most of the other statements I either consider plausible or repetitious.
_104 That fanning out (from the conductor) ruins the ability of the photons to cohere the field inside the bulb.
_L104 I don't understand when the electric current photons would need to leave the conductor.
A Ans L104. The photons cannot be constrained by the conductor.  Photons can only be constrained by other photons. They will channel together but are not held together. Photons can easily separate from a conductor, when there is a discontinuity, like going from a wire to the filament.
_110 Induction requires a resonance, and a fan can't create this resonance.
_L110 Can someone explain MM's meanings of induction and resonance here?
A Ans L110. I am not satisfied with my understanding of induction and resonance either, but I'll try. A "fan" is Huygens spherical wavefront of a given frequency (photon energy). There is no resonance (or induction) possible until there is a second frequency present.
_119 The field in the bulb can therefore be made like the field in the battery, and we have induction.
_L119 What are the fields like in the battery and in the bulb?
A Ans L119. The field in the battery is a mix of different fields. Maybe he sould have said the fields in the bulb can therefore be made like the fields of the terminals. When both terminal fields, each comprised of differing densities and energies, resonate within the bulb, we have induction.
_139 After the mutual induction takes place, and the fields are cohered, then E will be created.
_L139 Is E the electric current or what?
A Ans L139. I see E as the tuned, resonating state where energy is transfered most efficiently. There is an electric current, but that current does not describe the charge field. Beyond that, I need help here too.
_142 7) Like everything else, electrical induction is a mechanical process. _It is photons colliding with other photons, and informing them via a resonance; just as one river entering a larger river will be informed by that river (as a matter of speed, say).
_L142 Does anyone have an idea what he means here?
A Ans L142. Two different charge fields, with different densities and energies must come together before the circuit will work.
_144 And finally, we have learned that different substances actually create different charge. _We can deduce this just from the fact that we need induction. _If all elementary particles and atoms and molecules were emitting the same charge photons, then we wouldn't need induction.
_L144 It's interesting to think that different substances emit different photons. But, since protons do most of the emitting, and since they're all alike, how would different photons be emitted?
A Ans L144. The protons are another level of complexity. Most of the emitting is being done by the terminals, and each emit unique charge fields. Protons within the conductors will be recycling those charge field photons. The final fields that resonate will, to some extent, have been modulated by the conductor protons. Unless the conductors (protons) are matched to the battery terminal fields, the energy transfer efficiency will probably be decreased - charge field wise. My best guess anyway.

REMCB

[Chromium6]

This is part of the "Quantum" explanation for photon-electron waves and quasi-particles. I haven't seen much in Mathis' papers trying to tackle the Franck-Condon principle. This is related to several points made above and this is part of the QED that Mathis is trying to simplify. It seems in modern electronics there is a continuing push to get smaller and more stable electrically conducting materials particularly for LED type materials and nano-fibers. Most of this research keeps a focus on "quasi" particles which may be manifestations of the "Charge Field". Rewriting this with Mathis' current works is of course where the "rubber meets the road". How photons/charge is shaped by Mathis style molecules without QED?

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Franck%E2 ... _principle
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zero-phon ... n_sideband
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Born%E2%8 ... roximation

http://repository.ust.hk/dspace/bitstre ... 245427.pdf

Inelastic electron transport through mesoscopic systems: Heating versus cooling and sequential
tunneling versus cotunneling processes

I. INTRODUCTION
The interplay between inelasticity and coherence in quantum transport is closely related to the performance of molecular electronics.

Inelasticity arises intrinsically from the electron-phonon (e-ph) coupling. It is closely related to local
heating of the junction, although current-induced cooling could also occur under certain conditions.
The problem of heating accompanying the electron transport can become
quite serious along the miniaturization of devices. It may
affect the stability of the device, ultimately resulting in device
malfunctioning. At low temperatures, typically below 10 K,
the vibrational motion of molecules or lattice environments
is almost frozen. However, when electronic current passes
through molecules, the molecular lattice motion can be excited
by transport electrons, provided that they carry sufficient
energy. The probability for such inelastic scattering events
depends on the energy of transport electrons controlled by
the applied bias. Furthermore, if the tunneling electron resides
for sufficiently long time on the molecule, a vibronic state (a
localized polaron) may be formed, where the charge influences
the nuclear geometry of the molecule. The probability of
forming this quasiparticle state depends also on the detailed
balance between the transport electronic energy, its dissipation,
and vibrational relaxation.

In other words, inelasticity or e-ph coupling in quantum transport can lead to rich phenomena
such as conformational changes, induced chemical reactions, and electromigration.
It manifests nonlinearities in the current-voltage curves, which reflect the underlying molecular
structure. The method of detecting vibronic signatures in bias spectroscopy is commonly referred to as inelastic tunneling spectroscopy.

[Chromium6]

Well moses, how would you define these then. In the same way?
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The only difference that we can find between inertial and gravitational mass that we can find is the method.

Gravitational mass is measured by comparing the force of gravity of an unknown mass to the force of gravity of a known mass. This is typically done with some sort of balance scale. The beauty of this method is that no matter where, or what planet, you are, the masses will always balance out because the gravitational acceleration on each object will be the same. This does break down near supermassive objects such as black holes and neutron stars due to the high gradient of the gravitational field around such objects.

Inertial mass is found by applying a known force to an unknown mass, measuring the acceleration, and applying Newton's Second Law, m = F/a. This gives as accurate a value for mass as the accuracy of your measurements. When the astronauts need to be weighed in outer space, they actually find their inertial mass in a special chair.

The interesting thing is that, physically, no difference has been found between gravitational and inertial mass. Many experiments have been performed to check the values and the experiments always agree to within the margin of error for the experiment. Einstein used the fact that gravitational and inertial mass were equal to begin his Theory of General Relativity in which he postulated that gravitational mass was the same as inertial mass and that the acceleration of gravity is a result of a 'valley' or slope in the space-time continuum that masses 'fell down' much as pennies spiral around a hole in the common donation toy at your favorite chain store.

To state the answer one more time, there is no difference between gravitational and inertial mass as far as we know.

...
Moses, you might find this paper of interest that fills in a few "spaces".

http://milesmathis.com/feyn.html

Eötvös and Dicke didn’t prove the equivalence of gravitational mass and inertial mass, since their experiments never successfully isolated anything that we could call an inertial mass. When we weigh an object, we are already measuring a resultant force—we are measuring the gravitational force minus a force due to circular motion. If the earth stopped spinning, the object would weigh more on the scale, since the scale would then be feeling all the mass of the object rather than just a large fraction of it. All that happens when we suspend an object is that the negative part of this equation is allowed to express itself by a motion and an angle. The centrifugal component that we subtracted out to find the weight on the scale is allowed to push the object backwards, against rotation, and the object swings to a small angle. So the same vector subtraction is working whether the object is suspended or not. When the object is not suspended, friction keeps the ball from rolling backward. When the object is suspended, it swings a bit against the rotation of the earth.



In other words, we are given (by the weight equivalence) that both objects have the same total force on them—gravity minus effect due to inertia. Then we showed by experiment that both objects have the same inertial mass, since they swing to the same angle or create the same torque. Therefore they must have the same gravitational masses. All true. The experiment of Dicke does in fact prove all that. But that is not a proof that gravitational mass equals inertial mass. Why? Because if inertial mass were 49% or 5% of gravitational mass, all that would still be true. Look at this bar graph.


The inertial masses are equal, the gravitational masses are equal, the total masses (weights on a scale) are equal, but the inertial mass does not equal the gravitational mass.

Of course I can't blame this entire mess on Feynman. He is just reporting the accepted findings here. But I think it is a bad sign that someone with Feynman's towering intellect was not able to see through this pretty simple vector analysis. It is a bad sign that no one has been able to pick out the basic flaw here. Just as with the interferometer, no one in the 20th century retained enough basic physics or kinematics in order to penetrate the problem or the diagram. By the time of Lorentz physicists had already been buried under complex maths. They didn’t have time for basic physics, and therefore weren’t any good at it. This situation has remained up to the present time.

[Lloyd]

My Initial Summary Paper on MM Electric Current
My goal now is still to explain electric current via wire.
If and when that's done, then my goal will be to explain Tesla's wireless electric current.
Do yous agree or disagree with these updated statements?
(Note. I'm trying to simplify the discussion process somewhat. Many of these statements are meant as theoretical, rather than pure facts.)

_L15a1 Current. Electric current is a stream of B-photons moving along a conductor.
_L15a2 Not Current. Electron motions should not be considered electric current, because they're irrelevant.
_W15a Outside Current. Wikipedia says "any changing electric current gives rise to an electromagnetic wave that propagates at very high speed outside the surface of the conductor."
_L15a3 The electric current photon stream must travel just outside the conductor surface, because it would not be able to travel at or near c if it traveled through atoms within the wire
_L15a4 and the insulation on the conductor, not the conductor itself, determines the Velocity Factor (% of c).
_L15b1 Battery. The photon stream is produced by positioning mostly protons at one end of the conductor and mostly electrons at the other end (both within the battery).
_L15b2 Magnetic Field. The photon stream generates a magnetic field all along the conductor.
_L84a Load. When the electric current photon stream reaches the load, _L85 the magnetic field does the work.
_L84b A load is a "component in a circuit that converts electricity (the photon stream) into light, heat, or mechanical motion" via the magnetic field.
_L104 Minimal Separation. The photon stream does not easily separate from the conductor, because it is guided by the magnetic field of electrons surrounding the conductor. The electrons align and transmit the photon stream, similar to normal channeling.
_L110 No Fanning Out. The photon stream does not fan out, because it doesn't easily leave the conductor surface.
_L119&142 No Induction. The field in the load doesn't need "induction".
_L139 E All Around. E, the electric field, is created all along the conductor by the photon stream.
_L144 Minimal Photon Variation. There doesn't seem to be a need for different substances to create different photon charge streams, because plain magnetic fields seem to do all of the work at Loads. I'm talking only about electric energy transmission by wire presently. I hope to discuss wireless transmission when done with this discussion.

Load Details. First, I think it will be important to discuss one or more loads in detail. Right? If so, who wants to start? I'll have to study the matter a bit before I can proceed well myself.

Thanks again, Airman, for your answers. I don't mean to contradict what you've said, but I'm just stating my best understanding, and I welcome you and others to explain where I'm wrong.

Cr6, your data seems worthwhile, but I think I can use it when I get to the point of discussing wireless transmission etc. I hope we can nail down wire transmission first.

[LongtimeAirman]

L_ My Initial Summary Paper on MM Electric Current
L_My goal now is still to explain electric current via wire.
L_If and when that's done, then my goal will be to explain Tesla's wireless electric current.
L_Do yous agree or disagree with these updated statements?(Note. I'm trying to simplify the discussion process somewhat.
L_Many of these statements are meant as theoretical, rather than pure facts.)

A_Goal. The original goal was to describe MM's circuit model. That is no longer clear. Explaining Tesla's wireless electric current in light of MM's contributions would be laudable, but that's certainly a separate goal.

_L15a1 Current. Electric current is a stream of B-photons moving along a conductor.
A_L15a1. Disagree. B-photons carry forward momentum and spin, e and h components. E contributes to the electric field while H contributes to the magnetic field. Describing photon flow as Electric current is inaccurate and an oversimplification. Historically, electric current has always been considered as electron flow and there is no reason to change the definition in MM's model. Photon flow causes electric current, but it is not electric current. Instead say, Charge current can be a stream of B-photons channeling within and along a conductor, or E/M radiation when traveling through space.

_L15a2 Not Current. Electron motions should not be considered electric current, because they're irrelevant.
A_L15a2. Disagree. Electron motions (i.e. electric currents) are produced by charge currents. Electron motions are not irrelevant.

_W15a Outside Current. Wikipedia says "any changing electric current gives rise to an electromagnetic wave that propagates at very high speed outside the surface of the conductor."
A_W15a. Disagree. Charge field current can best be understood in traditional terms as an electromagnetic wave that propagates at very high speed outside the surface as well as at slower speeds within and along the atomic matrix of a conductor.

_L15a3 The electric current photon stream must travel just outside the conductor surface, because it would not be able to travel at or near c if it traveled through atoms within the wire.
A_L15a3. Disagree. The portion of the photon charge current outside the conductor surface travels at or near c while the portion traveling through atoms within the wire are slowed significantly, though those photons still travel much faster than the electron drift velocity.

_L15a4 and the insulation on the conductor, not the conductor itself, determines the Velocity Factor (% of c).
A_L15a4. Agree. The photon charge current is also slowed below c by insulation.

_L15b1 Battery. The photon stream is produced by positioning mostly protons at one end of the conductor and mostly electrons at the other end (both within the battery).
A_L15b1. Agree.

_L15b2 Magnetic Field. The photon stream generates a magnetic field all along the conductor.
A_L15b2. Somewhat agree. The photon stream generates an E/M field all along the conductor.

_L84a Load. When the electric current photon stream reaches the load, L85 the magnetic field does the work.
A_L84a. Disagree. Work is done when the interacting charge fields from both battery terminals reaches the load.

_L84b A load is a "component in a circuit that converts electricity (the photon stream) into light, heat, or mechanical motion" via the magnetic field.
A_L84b. Disagree slightly. A load is a "component in a circuit that converts the photon stream into light, heat, or mechanical motion" via electric and magnetic fields.

_L104 Minimal Separation. The photon stream does not easily separate from the conductor, because it is guided by the magnetic field of electrons surrounding the conductor. The electrons align and transmit the photon stream, similar to normal channeling.
A_L104. Strongly disagree. Electrons and protons constrain photons through their physical pressence or by photon recycling, limiting the amount of photons that may enter the electrons/protons poles and exit the electron/equators equators. Photons are a veritable deluge around soaked electons and protons. Throw out the L104 second sentance.

_L110 No Fanning Out. The photon stream does not fan out, because it doesn't easily leave the conductor surface.
A_L110. Strongly disagree. Photons can easily leave the conductor surface.

_L119&142 No Induction. The field in the load doesn't need "induction".
A_L119&142. Disagree. Just because we do not yet appreciate inductance does not justify its exclusion.

_L139 E All Around. E, the electric field, is created all along the conductor by the photon stream.
A_L139. Slightly disagree. Electric and magnetic fields are created all along the conductor by the photon stream.

_L144 Minimal Photon Variation. There doesn't seem to be a need for different substances to create different photon charge streams, because plain magnetic fields seem to do all of the work at Loads. I'm talking only about electric energy transmission by wire presently.
A_L144. Strongly disagree. Different photon charge streams vary in density and energy (magnitude and frequency) as is true in a battery circuit. We will never understand circuit behavior or wireless transmission without magnitude and frequency differences. Magnetic fields do not do all the work across all loads.

L_ I hope to discuss wireless transmission when done with this discussion.
A_Agree.

Load Details. First, I think it will be important to discuss one or more loads in detail. Right? If so, who wants to start? I'll have to study the matter a bit before I can proceed well myself.
A_ Load Details. I nominate the basic ckt elements: inductors, capacitors, and resistors. I need to post what I've got here first.

REMCB

[Chromium6]

I'd add to that great list LTAM... the Seebeck Effect. This is a great area to deconstruct for the battery and circuit as well in terms of Mathis. Heat and Charge? How do they flow?

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Seebeck Effect at the Atomic Scale
http://arxiv.org/ftp/arxiv/papers/1307/1307.3742.pdf

Magneto-Seebeck effect in magnetic tunnel junctions
http://www.uni-goettingen.de/de/documen ... lk_pdf.pdf

June 13, 2013
Nano-Thermometer Measures Heat at Atomic Scale
http://www.realclearscience.com/2013/06 ... 53496.html

Demo of the Seebeck Effect
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bt5o_rn0FmU
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I've been asked a number of times how the BioLite CampStove™ works because I guess some people want to try to make one of thier own. In this video I don't show you how to make one but I do a demo on the Seebeck effect which is used to make the stove work.

In this demo I use a thermoelectric module called a Peltier Device to show how to generate electricity from your camp stove. You can buy Peltier Devices on ebay but I find it cheaper to buy up any 12v DC micro fridges I see at Goodwill. The fridge I used today cost $4.95 and I got all kinds of cool stuff out of it like the Peltier Device, large heat sink, muffin fan, assorted switches and controllers. Pretty nice deal.
Links mentioned in video:
BioLite CampStove™:

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Science Education Review

Simple Demonstration of the Seebeck Effect
Arman Molki
http://www.scienceeducationreview.com/o ... eebeck.pdf

[Chromium6]

The following Thermoelectric effects are what I'd like to try and reconcile with the Mathis' Charge Field:

1. Seebeck Effect - mentioned above (perhaps over-mentioned).
2. Hall Effect
3. Nernst–Ettingshausen Effect
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peltier_effect

HOW a BATTERY CIRCUIT WORKS
http://milesmathis.com/seft.pdf

[Lloyd]

Finishing up, Then Analysis of Loads
_L15a1 Current. Electric current is a stream of B-photons moving along a conductor.
A: Disagree. B-photons carry forward momentum and spin, e and h components. E contributes to the electric field while H contributes to the magnetic field. Describing photon flow as Electric current is inaccurate and an oversimplification. Historically, electric current has always been considered as electron flow and there is no reason to change the definition in MM's model. Photon flow causes electric current, but it is not electric current. Instead say, Charge current can be a stream of B-photons channeling within and along a conductor, or E/M radiation when traveling through space.
L: When I say electric current, I mean the current that transmits electrical energy to loads, same as the mainstream definition. The theory that the current consists of electrons is irrelevant to that accurate definition.

_L15b2 Magnetic Field. The photon stream generates a magnetic field all along the conductor.
A: Somewhat agree. The photon stream generates an E/M field all along the conductor.
L: The photon stream along the conductor consists of the E (forward motion) and M (coherent spinning motion) fields.

_L84a Load. When the electric current photon stream reaches the load, L85 the magnetic field does the work.
A: Disagree. Work is done when the interacting charge fields from both battery terminals reaches the load.
L: The DC electric current is a one-way flow photon stream from high photon density to low photon density, as per MM's statement #15. There should be no field from the low density terminal, since the high density stream should continue on to the battery after going through the load.

_L104 Minimal Separation. The photon stream does not easily separate from the conductor, because it is guided by the magnetic field of electrons surrounding the conductor. The electrons align and transmit the photon stream, similar to normal channeling.
A: Strongly disagree. Electrons and protons constrain photons through their physical pressence or by photon recycling, limiting the amount of photons that may enter the electrons/protons poles and exit the electron/equators equators. Photons are a veritable deluge around soaked electons and protons. Throw out the L104 second sentance.
L: Since photon streams obviously follow conductor surfaces, something must guide them there, and, since electrons are found on conductor surfaces, and since electrons recycle photons, and since particles can recycle through charge polarly instead of equatorially, electrons on or near conductor surfaces are a good candidate for photon stream guides.

_L144 Minimal Photon Variation. There doesn't seem to be a need for different substances to create different photon charge streams, because plain magnetic fields seem to do all of the work at Loads. I'm talking only about electric energy transmission by wire presently.
A: Strongly disagree. Different photon charge streams vary in density and energy (magnitude and frequency) as is true in a battery circuit. We will never understand circuit behavior or wireless transmission without magnitude and frequency differences. Magnetic fields do not do all the work across all loads.
L: The number of photons per second in an electric current photon stream varies depending on the battery strength, but the sizes (and frequencies) of the individual photons in the current are irrelevant. Analysis of common loads will hopefully show if anything more than the magnetic fields of currents are needed to do work, i.e. make light, heat, or mechanical motion.

Load Analysis
A: I nominate the basic ckt elements: inductors, capacitors, and resistors.
L: A resistor would make heat, but I'd like to analyze something that makes light and mechanical motion too, i.e. a light bulb and a simple electric motor. I guess the inductor could be an electric motor.
Airman, I look forward to your initial analysis, since you seemed to volunteer for that.

Cr6, could any of your proposals fit in with or soon after the analysis of any of the loads mentioned above?

[LongtimeAirman]

Thanks Cr6, Very pertinent. Let me organize a la Lloyd.

Thermoelectricity aka Seebeck Effect. Heating a junction of different metals produces a voltage potential. Coherent electron and heat tranfer through a point-like contact produces a voltage differential.

Thermomagnetism aka Magnetic Seebeck Effect. Using an electrical insulator rather than a conductor, a Magnetic Seebeck effect also exists. Because an insulator does not allow electrons to flow, a temperature gradient does not cause electrons to diffuse. Instead, it affects another property of electrons that forms the basis of magnetism and is referred to as ‘spin’.

Note the use of 'spin'! (Sorry I haven't incorporated them yet, I was working toward that below but I kept hitting tangents.)

Before moving ahead with loads I'll take a stab at a couple of the basic definitions, though, as Lloyd says, be free to add or correct. It is more important to get the information down.

MM_. Charge Field. The density, energy, distribution, directions, rate of motions, spin orientations and spin speeds of B-photons in a volume of interest. The ambient charge field on the earth's surface is an upward directed charge field with acceleration, 0.0097m/s^2. The Charge Field can produce heat, electricity, and magnetism through varying charge field conditions. The lowest energies/frequencies (infrared B-photons) can produce heat.

MM_. Photon Spin. A B-photon with a forward velocity up to the speed of
Light also has a spin that could also be at light speed. Spin may be described as left or right, up or down with respect to the ambient charge field spin orientation. A direct equatorial collision between two photons with the same direction spins result in a decrease of spin for both photons. Those same two photons in a direct polar collision between two photons with the same direction spins result in spin augmentation for both photons.

MM_. Charge and Anticharge. Proton Distribution. Pole Differential. "... differential from top to bottom. If you want magnetism, you look for elements with equal numbers of protons top and bottom. If you want electrical conduction, you look for a differential. ... This differential is what gives your photon field a summed direction.You don't want charge and anticharge cancelling one another in terms of linear motion, so you want charge moving more strongly than anticharge." ( http://milesmathis.com/per4.pdf ).

On and on with electricity, magnetism, etc.We can add to the battery definition

_L15b1 Battery. The photon stream is produced by positioning mostly protons at one end of the conductor and mostly electrons at the other end (both within the battery).
A_L15b1. Agree
MM_ L15b1. If you want electrical conduction, you look for a differential in the proton density.

Lloyd, Do we go round and round again as necessary, or what?

REMCB

[Chromium6]

Finishing up, Then Analysis of Loads
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Load Analysis
A: I nominate the basic ckt elements: inductors, capacitors, and resistors.
L: A resistor would make heat, but I'd like to analyze something that makes light and mechanical motion too, i.e. a light bulb and a simple electric motor. I guess the inductor could be an electric motor.
Airman, I look forward to your initial analysis, since you seemed to volunteer for that.

Cr6, could any of your proposals fit in with or soon after the analysis of any of the loads mentioned above?

Looks good to me Loyd. Just take care not to wear yourself out trying to cross back and forth between two worlds so to speak IMHO. We can burn a lot of time trying to reconcile Mathis with other theories rather than trying to explain the phenomena in terms of Mathis' papers.

At some point we may have to get out Excel and just set current and Mathis' formulas for all of this side by side by each paper (using NIST's standards) in a separate tab perhaps along with a tab with a Periodic table of the elements:
http://physics.nist.gov/cuu/Constants/T ... lascii.txt

Then just plug the formulas.

[Lloyd]

Excel?
Cr6, feel free to make a start on your Excel idea. If you do that, maybe we'll see better what you mean and can help proceed.

Prep for Load Analysis

_L84a Load. When the electric current photon stream reaches the load, L85 the magnetic field does the work.
A: Disagree. Work is done when the interacting charge fields from both battery terminals reaches the load.
L: The DC electric current is a one-way flow photon stream from high photon density to low photon density, as per MM's statement #15. There should be no field from the low density terminal, since the high density stream should continue on to the battery after going through the load.

Airman, maybe this issue is a good one to lead with into our analysis of loads, since it seems to be at the heart of MM's model. Right? (You guys probably know a lot more about electricity etc than I do. I just have some rudimentary understanding.)

Magnetism. Airman, when you gave your interpretation of how a light bulb lights, via magnetic heating etc, and after I thought about how magnetism seems to be the most important force for producing mechanical motion via electric motors etc, I had the impression that the magnetic field may be the primary force involved in all work done in electricity. I know the E field is needed to produce the H field, but I'm hypothesizing that the H field may do all or nearly all of the work in a load, after the E field sets up the H field there. Can you (or anyone here) think of a case where just the E field is enough to do work in a load? If so, I'll likely revise my simplistic model.

One Way or Two Way Current? I don't object to MM's model, which you're supporting in this quote, but it seems to disagree with his earlier statement #15 etc about the photon stream moving from the proton region of the battery along the conductor to the electron region. I don't see how or why the photon stream would move to the load from both terminals. Do you? His statements at #15 etc seem much easier to understand and more plausible to me than his later statements from #35 onward. I'm hoping that the simpler statements will prove to be right, as per Occam's razor, but I hope more to just find out what the truth is likely to be, since truth is more important than apparent simplicity. If you (anyone here) can explain how a photon stream would be able to go to the load from the electron side of the battery, then I may start to accept MM's statements about the photon stream fanning out at gaps and needing inductance via two fans. Offhand, those statements still seem very improbable.

Current Guides. MM's model of elements seems very plausible and probable, including the models of elements that can serve as conductors, but it's hard for me to believe that the electric current photon stream would channel through the atoms in the conductors much if at all, because I imagine the atoms are arranged rather haphazardly, especially at the surface (where the current is apparently known to concentrate), where micrographs show that the atoms are generally in grains that are also arranged haphazardly and there are gaps between grains. If it's been proven that the current does move through the surface layer of atoms in conductors, I'd like to see where that proof is. So far, it's easier for me to believe that the conductor's magnetic field holds coherent electrons near the conductor surface and that the coherent electrons guide the photon stream to the load (and partially on to the "low photon density" terminal).

Where to Start Load Analysis?
Should we start by analyzing a light bulb? I say that, because Airman has already started on that earlier, so we could go more in depth from there. We could analyze the statements at http://home.howstuffworks.com/light-bulb1.htm for example. I previously thought we could maybe start with inductors, as at http://electronics.howstuffworks.com/inductor.htm, but now I think that could come second or later. I notice that the filament in a light bulb is apparently an inductor. If I get impatient, I may start the analysis before anyone has time to answer. I'll see.