marengo wrote:viscount aero wrote:No he didn't. He created an approximation of what it does--not what it is or how or why it exists.
It is absurd to expect anyone to know everything about the Universe. Newton made a great step forward.
It is also absurd to expect physicists to explain WHY things exist.
I believe you said "Newton was right" and he wasn't. He created only an
approximation for calculating
gravitational effects in local space. Yes it was a big discovery. Nobody denies that. Who has denied that his discovery was big? But he wasn't aware of the bigger picture for gravity. He was stuck in his time. Despite its usefulness to this day, it is time to move beyond Newton's world to new things.
viscount aero wrote:Yes I agree--you effectively said nothing factual and contradicted yourself in the same sentence.
marengo wrote:You are a great one for being pedantic. Gravity EFFECTIVELY acts from the centre point of a massive sphere. That is the physics of it. Why dont you stick to physics rather than lexicography.
The origins of falsehood begin in language particularly when all we have here is texting. Because you are also known to construe what you say to mean whatever you want when faced with rebuttals you must be treated accordingly. Grammatical vagueness is your middle name.
Again 1: As in the case of Newton's entrapment in his own time and paradigm: you don't know that gravity acts that way 2: There is no such thing as a "point source" (particularly if at Earth's center there are no gravitational effects). For that matter you might as well say "all of the cosmos arose from a point source"--and that, too, is probably a falsehood.
viscount aero wrote:LOL ok How can anyone read your paper for a "more complete understanding" of gravity when you agree with me that gravity cannot be entirely understood!
marengo wrote:So you equate more understanding with a complete understanding. In your dictionary MORE and COMPLETE have the same meaning???
This is what you wrote: "marengo wrote:
Try reading my paper on gravity for a more complete understanding..."
More modifies "Complete" but incorrectly. Something cannot be "more complete." Regardless, you imply a false authoritative voice on the nature of gravity. You claim to guide the reader down a path to some level of completeness, clarity, truth. That is the implicit and greater POINT.
It is particularly false in light of how we don't know how gravity actually works (and you admitted that). But you then immediately disqualified it by telling me to refer to your papers for a "more complete understanding" of gravity that "acts as a point source."
Again, there is no such thing as a point. So why become enraptured in this visualization? We don't know that gravity acts that way. Therefore why should anyone take that idea seriously as a "more complete understanding." A point source, real or mathematically abstract, may not be at all how gravity originates, bears, or radiates its influence.
viscount aero wrote:In agreeing with me you just contradicted your own assertion that gravity acts as a "point source"..
marengo wrote:I never said that. I said EFFECTIVELY acts as a point source. Would you like to borrow my spectacles?
But what if it doesn't act this way? I would move away from using a "point source from the center of the Sun/Earth" to describe gravitational effects. Gravity appears to behave more as a field, a gross effect, and not a point.