Dinosaurs too heavy to stand/fly problem solved?

[tholden]

Also had nothing to do with earth-expanding fairies.....

[moses]

>The ONLY thing that really answers the mail on this one is Ralph Sansbury's analysis of what gravity actually is (an electrostatic dipole effect and not a basic force in nature) and an understanding that gravity in past ages was heavily attenuated. Ted>

Possibly my theory is not real, but I question where the rocks came from that formed the geological column, ie the sedimentary rocks that were deposited after the very old ancient rocks. I feel that these rocks were laid and formed under very extreme electrical conditions. The most likely cause of this would be the close approach of another planet or moon.

Thus a monster Birkeland Current passed beween the Earth and this other planet and huge amounts of airborn rock and water and dust were produced which mainly came from the smaller planet and got deposited on Earth. So the extra-large creatures would have lived on the smaller planet and got transported here where they were fossilised, but some survived and probably waded in lakes and such.

Anyhow, it's been a while since I mentioned this theory.
Cheers,
Mo

[Steve Smith]

The flying dinosaur problem can't be overstated. Ted's analysis of Sauropods in his Anomalist article several years ago outlined the impossibility of land walkers in a 1g gravity field.

Flying dinosaurs are much less well-adapted to the 1g field. Consider a flying giraffe.

quetzalcoatlus

Under no circumstances could a 500 kilo animal fly in a 1g field.

[spark]

lower gravity + dense atmosphere is more likely the case. earth wasn't necessarily smaller in diameter.
gravity being an electromagnetic/ether force was modified resulting in increased gravity.
earth may have loss some of the atmosphere in the past or is still losing it slowly.
gravity field also apparently repels negative charges, and gases to some extent.

[Electro]

Mainstream science completely rejects lower gravity or increased levels of oxygen to explain why dinosaurs were so big. For them, there’s no evidence that the Earth’s gravity was weaker during the heyday of the dinosaurs. That would be the normal thing to think if you do not consider the Electric Universe model and gravity as a simple electromagnetic force.

Their explanation:

As part of their respiratory system, sauropods had a complex network of air sacs that gave them two advantages. Not only did the air sacs allow the dinosaurs to breathe more efficiently – more like birds than mammals – but the soft tissues invaded bone to make the skeletons of these dinosaurs lighter without sacrificing strength. Indeed, even at around 100 feet long, Supersaurus has been estimated to weigh in between 35 and 40 tons. That’s quite hefty in absolute terms, but consider that the largest African elephant on record weighed about 12 tons, and the extinction rhino Paraceratherium – about 26 feet long and 16 feet tall at the shoulder – weighed about 18 tons. You’d think a dinosaur about four times as long as Paraceratherium would be much heavier – 72 tons or more – but Supersaurus and similar dinosaurs were relatively light. Air sacs allowed sauropods to escape some of the physical constraints that have limited the evolution of mammal body size over the past 66 million years.
http://phenomena.nationalgeographic.com ... per-sized/

[JeffreyW]

Mainstream science completely rejects lower gravity or increased levels of oxygen to explain why dinosaurs were so big. For them, there’s no evidence that the Earth’s gravity was weaker during the heyday of the dinosaurs. That would be the normal thing to think if you do not consider the Electric Universe model and gravity as a simple electromagnetic force.

Their explanation:

As part of their respiratory system, sauropods had a complex network of air sacs that gave them two advantages. Not only did the air sacs allow the dinosaurs to breathe more efficiently – more like birds than mammals – but the soft tissues invaded bone to make the skeletons of these dinosaurs lighter without sacrificing strength. Indeed, even at around 100 feet long, Supersaurus has been estimated to weigh in between 35 and 40 tons. That’s quite hefty in absolute terms, but consider that the largest African elephant on record weighed about 12 tons, and the extinction rhino Paraceratherium – about 26 feet long and 16 feet tall at the shoulder – weighed about 18 tons. You’d think a dinosaur about four times as long as Paraceratherium would be much heavier – 72 tons or more – but Supersaurus and similar dinosaurs were relatively light. Air sacs allowed sauropods to escape some of the physical constraints that have limited the evolution of mammal body size over the past 66 million years.
http://phenomena.nationalgeographic.com ... per-sized/

Aquatic dinosaurs

Part 1

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0DuaVmJ1toA

[Electro]

Aquatic dinosaurs

Part 1

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0DuaVmJ1toA

Definitely makes sense!

[moses]

Just failed to mention that nearly all fossils were formed in catastrophic conditions. So massive electrical forces excavated rock and trees and water, etc, and transported this material and then deposited it probably all over the Earth. The electrical conditions preserved the creatures in this deposited material forming fossils. The death of creatures under ordinary conditions would not have formed fossils.

Once one comes to see that the above catastrophic mechanism did form our rocks then one naturally enquires what caused the catastrophe. The most likely cause is an interaction with another planet. And so perhaps material came from that other planet during the interaction.

Cheers,
Mo

[ztifbob]

Aquatic dinosaurs

Part 1

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0DuaVmJ1toA

Love the aquatic dinos! Will be looking back into this and Ford's ideas will be my starting point, thx

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kwnfV1WrBF4

[SDK]

Problem with an atmosphere at the density of more than half of that of water, allowing for the buoyancy of such lifeforms as big dinos, is the force, which would have to keep such atmosphere at the adequate pressure, which would have to affect only the atmosphere, but not the animals and other life on Earth of the time. Unless the author can provide such an exclusive force, and I do not know of any, except for a solid and a very mighty enclosure of the atmosphere, the theory is an obvious flop.

With kind regards, SDK.

[comingfrom]

Still, it was a good read, to see how he went through the problem.
And how he had to eliminate possibilities, because other theories don't allow them.

The gravity constant G is a constant because it is said to be so, and if it isn't that would create havoc (to all our science?), so G doesn't change over time.

Earth's mass couldn't have changed significantly, because planetary formation theory says all the growing happened way in the early beginning.

Same with compaction, which reduced the radius and increased Earth's density, so again no significant change during the time of life on Earth.

Change in the Earth's rotation is eliminated, since scientists already know it hasn't changed much.

Therefore it must be atmospheric buoyancy.
Because this is the only possible variable that hasn't been eliminated yet.

It was necessary to give the arguments that eliminate the incorrect hypotheses in order to prepare the reader for the solution.

~
I believe the probable reason for gravity variation in the past is due to the Earth's charge.
A dramatic change in charge would also change the gravity.

This certainly would have occurred again, if and when Earth changed from being a satellite of Saturn, to being a satellite of the Sun.

I also don't accept standard planetary formation theory, and believe the Earth is growing.
But I don't know if the slow incremental growth of the Earth is enough to give such gravity variability.
~Paul

[Lloyd]

In the Venus Heat from Global Warming? thread at http://www.thunderbolts.info/wp/forum/phpB ... 41#p114341 I quoted from a paper by Ginenthal which said: "The pressure at the surface [of Venus] is approximately 90 bars, which is equivalent to the pressure in the ocean on earth at a depth of nearly 1 km below sea level."(22)

If the air pressure was that great on Earth's surface due to a similar formerly thick atmosphere, then obviously all animals would have been buoyed up, just like on or in water, including the huge dinosaurs. By the time of the great flood that thick atmosphere was apparently gone, because animals large and small made footprints that became fossilized. If they had been buoyant, they would not have made regular footprints. Would they? So now, let's find evidence of a formerly thick atmosphere on Earth.

[Electro]

In the Venus Heat from Global Warming? thread at http://www.thunderbolts.info/wp/forum/phpB ... 41#p114341 I quoted from a paper by Ginenthal which said: "The pressure at the surface [of Venus] is approximately 90 bars, which is equivalent to the pressure in the ocean on earth at a depth of nearly 1 km below sea level."(22)

If the air pressure was that great on Earth's surface due to a similar formerly thick atmosphere, then obviously all animals would have been buoyed up, just like on or in water, including the huge dinosaurs. By the time of the great flood that thick atmosphere was apparently gone, because animals large and small made footprints that became fossilized. If they had been buoyant, they would not have made regular footprints. Would they? So now, let's find evidence of a formerly thick atmosphere on Earth.

I strongly believe dinosaurs were mostly aquatic creatures, amphibians and reptiles. No animals would naturally evolve to be too heavy to withstand its own weight. Look how elephants walk. Scientist expect us to believe a diplodocus was able to run around and leap like a gazelle, like we see in documentaries? If we accept that dinosaurs were in fact mostly aquatic creatures, there's no need for a thicker atmosphere.