Electro-Magnetic Geomorphology

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Re: Electro-Magnetic Geomorphology

Unread postby GaryN » Wed Jun 25, 2014 12:54 pm

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3,500 million years ago the Martian crater Gale, through which the NASA rover Curiosity is currently traversing, was covered with glaciers, mainly over its central mound. Very cold liquid water also flowed through its rivers and lakes on the lower-lying areas, forming landscapes similar to those which can be found in Iceland or Alaska. This is reflected in an analysis of the images taken by the spacecraft orbiting the red planet.


Read more at: http://phys.org/news/2014-06-curiosity- ... s.html#jCp

Here they go again, assuming that the features were caused by glaciation and water erosion because we know that glaciers and water caused the similar features on Earth. They are both from electrical/plasma mechanisms, but they can never admit to it, or perhaps genuinely can not conceive of such ideas due to their programming.

My tiny boulders under magnification are just as I suspected, mini scale pebbles or boulders. I stopped at places along the beach on my way back where the size sorting was for progressively larger pebbles, and though not a rigorous scientific study, the characteristics of the features and patterning do seem to scale with with size of the pebble.
My camera won't stay in macro mode long enough for me to get an image, dirty contacts on a rotary switch, but the hair-fine quartz veins are there alright, as are the other mini scale features, just looking through my magnifying glasses. Quite beautiful.
The process for the coastal erosion then would be that a dark or glow mode plasma stream or cloud would have been present, and very close to the surface, there would have been billions of tiny arc discharges that have pulled the surface material off and shaped and modified it to produce the mini-pebbles, while larger discharges produced the larger ones, all the way up to the largest of the rounded boulders. As with many electrical phenomena then, we see the same process at work over orders of magnitude. So simple.
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Re: Electro-Magnetic Geomorphology

Unread postby GaryN » Wed Jun 25, 2014 7:29 pm

I did manage to get one macro image, though the camera is capable of much better, but is at the moment 'flaky'. Something else to fix. However it is good enough to show, particularly in the grey one second from right just how fine the features are at this scale. On Flickr:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/garyinsooke/14323033697/
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Re: Electro-Magnetic Geomorphology

Unread postby GaryN » Fri Jun 27, 2014 10:42 am

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First impressions are that this is a gradually eroding face of some kind of glacial till that has become like concrete, the finest of the glacial flour being the cement, and all the rocks, pebbles and boulders the larger glacial debris. Well, I'm going back out there with my hammer and chisel and take a closer look, as well as seeing (carefully) what is at the top of the cliff to try and determine the extents of the glacial concrete. What I suspect I may find is that this is only a veneer, and was created, along with all the inclusions, by the very same electrical storm that created the billions of tiny pebbles too.
Geology does seem to be a very dull and stuffy subject to most folk, and I would have agreed with that up until realising that this is all electrical in nature, and that looking at it all through different eyes really does change the whole picture of Earths past, and this is a recent past, not millions or billions of years.
I visited the Flickr site today, without being logged in, and see that visitors must put up with quite a lot of advertising. Sorry about that, but Flickr does have tremendous potential as a cheap, free in this case, venue for such projects. There is an ad-free option at $50/year, will look into that more. I have also set up notification to my e-mail if anyone should ever be interested enough to comment on any of the images or the possible, I'd say obvious, methods of formation. It was not practical to be going through all the images to see if anyone other than seasmith, with a little arm twisting, had commented.
Perhaps the notion of these formations having occurred by such energetic, catastrophic forces rather than the boringly slow standard model might attract a new breed of investigators who are willing to look at it all through a new set of lenses, in which case, the true nature of the forces involved should rapidly become apparent. Or maybe I'm dreaming.
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Re: Electro-Magnetic Geomorphology

Unread postby seasmith » Fri Jun 27, 2014 5:36 pm

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Gary, why not make your Flicker, etc. sites part of your posting signature ?
Ithink that's allowed here...
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Re: Electro-Magnetic Geomorphology

Unread postby GaryN » Fri Jun 27, 2014 9:12 pm

Hi s, yes, good idea and will consider it once I am happy that Flickr will do what I want. I was trying to create folders within folders, which could be done with the Pro account, but they are not allowing any more users the Pro option, just the Add Free, and I can't see sub-folders being mentioned with that service. Not imperative, but would help keep things 'clean' if I could have the tree structure.
So the Bluff face does seem to be a veneer, but the debris is already in the matrix, which is of that iron oxide fine red dust behind the veneer. And what is the veneer? Kaolin I believe, and that is how China Beach got it's name. I didn't get back to the concrete-like bluff, but the ones I looked at today vary from having very powdery composition, through to still coarse grained but much harder. Where I did hammer and pry a couple of pebbles out, the socket looks to have been very hot, the rock is discoloured and looks like rust.
I put some more images in the folder, the ones from today are after an index map I put up, but are not commented yet.
Why kaolin in such a thin veneer (though there is a mix of gray and red material for a certain depth, about 50 ft. in one area where I could actually look behind the veneer), and why that one face that is so hard? Well, it seems that at the points of these scalloped bays, there must have been greater forces at work, as the most modified boulders are also found near the points. I'd think heating to 500-600C might do that, but it is definitely not a ceramic, still grainy.
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Re: Electro-Magnetic Geomorphology

Unread postby GaryN » Tue Jul 01, 2014 1:14 pm

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I just happened to have a magnet on the table where I was looking through a pile of the small pebbles I brough back from the beach, so just out of curiosity, I stuck it in the pile and was surprised to see how may stuck to the magnet. I found this article about magnetic pebbles from Australia, though all his pebbles look black and shiny, whereas all kinds of non-metalic looking ones in my pile stuck to the magnet.

Magnetic pebbles in Australia.
http://www.derbyastronomy.org/OpenUniversity.htm

Nothing much else on the net about magnetic pebbles though, but they must have enough iron in them.
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Re: Electro-Magnetic Geomorphology

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Re: Electro-Magnetic Geomorphology

Unread postby Sparky » Tue Jul 01, 2014 3:50 pm

paramagnetic metal ions that are dispersed throughout a gem in concentrations high enough to create color
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How would ions be incorporated? :?
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Re: Electro-Magnetic Geomorphology

Unread postby GaryN » Tue Jul 01, 2014 5:34 pm

Thanks s, I have learned something today, our Happy 1st of July in Canada!

How would ions be incorporated?


In a supernova I think, proving that Earth is actually a supernova remnant. ;-)

In a slightly less mad explanation, I have it as being due to the CME event that sent clouds and streams of ions, iron having the highest hunger for electrons, thus is attracted more strongly to the Earth, and arrives before the other types of ions. In a bulk plasma flow, the ions are sorted by specie and will arrive in waves of predominantly one type, but can be mixed.
Those mammoth tusks with microscopic iron (which they claim are micrometeorites) embedded in them are an example that could only be, IMO, from iron ions from a CME. The rate of acquisition of electrons determines the isotope that will result.
The whole coast here shows obvious (to me!) signs of this iron dominated plasma wave, but in order to produce the wide variety of material found in rock and pebbles, (starting with only the sandstone substrate) other ion types must have been present in smaller amounts.
Then throw in the pinches from the close-to-surface discharges and you stir up quite the variety of pebbles with all their diversity of colours, patterns, veins and inclusions.
The sometimes 12-18 inch thick banded iron deposits, grading at over 75%, that are found just up the coast from here are evidence for the magnitude of the CME event, those bands are so well defined and of contant thickness that I don't believe they were from deep in the Earth, or from iron rich impactors.
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Re: Electro-Magnetic Geomorphology

Unread postby GaryN » Fri Jul 04, 2014 9:57 am

This is the work of weathering?
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http://www.naturetravelspecialists.com/ ... smallf.jpg
The boulder at left looks like it was still partially molten when it hit the deck.
More weathering:
http://www.naturetravelspecialists.com/ ... ks2bof.jpg
This image shows how, as with what I see around here, the most intense energies appear to occur at the points of the bays. I imagine the photographer is standing on another point, taking the first image, and then looking over at the next point.
http://www.naturetravelspecialists.com/ ... baybof.jpg
In the first image, that blob of rock by itself broght the word goop to mind, and that suggested a name for all these odditiies. Gooparts. Geological out of place artifacts. :D
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Re: Electro-Magnetic Geomorphology

Unread postby GaryN » Sat Jul 19, 2014 2:29 pm

I finally got to examine the upper reaches of a fork in my local Todd creek, and the evidence for the extreme electrical energies is obvious. At the higher elevations the main effects are of what I would call Coulomb ejection, large, Sherman tank sized blocks ejected from the valley walls, and a great amount of totally shattered, angular rock pieces that cover the valley floor to a depth of many metres in places. No rounded pebbles/cobbles/boulders up there.
At the conjunction of the leg that I went up and the main course of the creek, the creek bed is exposed, and it is a chewed up mess of swirling and undulating rock, with a couple of examples of the formation of rocks within pits or potholes on the bedrock surface.
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The rocks in the potholes will not move, they are still connected to bedrock. Under and around the larger central rock are smaller ones whos composition is nothing like that of the bedrock, but could not have been washed into their present positions. They have been formed and 'morphed' right where they are found.
That these creek beds are the result of electrical forces is, to me, obvious. Not glaciation and not weathering, and a proper scientific examination would have to reach the same conclusion. Really, a scientific Inquisition is needed with most of the proffered geological formations and the processes involved in their creation, and it no doubt would show the complete impossibility of the accepted, mainstream models, but it would be a tough job to put such an inquisition together. The geologists will not even consider an alternative method, but I have yet to find an engineer of any flavour who has the least interest in geology. I'm sure there must be some with appropriate experience who could determine the real science behind these features, will keep looking and asking.
So what is the real cause of all these features? It is an electrical discharge for sure, and these rivers, creeks and streams are all discharge tracks, due to large vertical electric field gradients. Surface flows and currents would increase by way of the positive feedback nature of the event, and once in arc discharge mode there is in effect an antenna created by the plasma in the stream, a wide-band, very rich in harmonics antenna, and it is the nature of the near, intermediate and far-field effects that is producing the variety of features noted.
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Roughly speaking, in the near-field, everything is turned to dust, fully ionised, becoming the silts or clays found in the lower reaches of the creeks and rivers, as well as perhaps the fine iron oxide dust that covers the hillsides for quite large areas around the creeks. The intermediate field can have many and varied effects, mixing electric and magnetic fields in complex ways, accounting for the melting, twisting, sculpting, etc, and I believe, the formation and morphing that creates the pebbles and cobbles. The far field can be 'spiky' in an over-driven antenna, and these are over-driven for sure, and it is this effect that leads to the Coulomb ejection and shattering of the bedrock at the sides and above the creek/river bed. Where the creek bed is exposed, it is all chewed and gnarly, where it isn't exposed, clearing out the creek would show the same features.
Once my legs and knees have recovered (think I over did it a bit!), I'll be trying for the higher reaching portions of the main creek channel, and will likely find the same format, with the ejection and shattering becoming more pronounced with increasing elevation.
I met a couple of people up there who were geocaching, and had a look at their GPS units, neat stuff, but not cheap. However, the geocaching seems like it might be a good way to promote and perhaps get some people to take an interest in an alternative to the standard model. Asking others to image and mark any odd geological features they come across, so that others might be able to identify the particular forces involved, would help speed up the observed instances of such features, and surely if enough are identified that would seem to defy accepted mechanical processes, then academia may be forced to speak on the subject? Or is my naivety showing again?

Here is an image of a location I haven't come across yet, must be further up-river than I have explored so far, will try and contact the photographer to find out if he remembers the location.
http://www.pinterest.com/pin/262897696970397321/
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Re: Electro-Magnetic Geomorphology

Unread postby GaryN » Mon Jul 21, 2014 12:02 pm

Researchers figure out how oddly shaped sandstone landform structures come about
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For many years, scientists have assumed it was wind and rain along with freezing and thawing that accounted for uniquely shaped sandstone landforms—they occur in many places and generally cause those who see them to take a second—or third look. Many believed they came about because some of the rock was just naturally harder than other parts. The results were sometimes awe inspiring structures that at times appeared to defy gravity. But now, new research suggests that it's actually gravity that allows the structures to form in the first place.


Read more at: http://phys.org/news/2014-07-figure-odd ... m.html#jCp

Ah, gravity, of course, why didn't I think of that? And what about the Elbe Sandstone Mountains?

The eroded sandstone landscape of this region was formed from depositions that accumulated on the bottom of the sea millions of years ago. Large rivers carried sand and other eroded debris into the Cretaceous sea. Rough quartz sand, clay and fine marl sank and became lithified layer by layer. A compact sandstone sequence developed, about 20 x 30 kilometres wide and up to 600 metres thick dating to the lower Cenomanian to Santonian stages.[3] The tremendous variety of shapes in the sandstone landscape is a result of the subsequent chemical and physical erosion and biological processes acting on the rocks formed from those sands laid down during the Cretaceous Period.

The inlets of a Cretaceous sea, together with marine currents, carried away sand over a very long period of time into a shallow zone of the sea and then the diagenetic processes at differing pressure regimes resulted in the formation of sandstone beds. Its stratification is characterized by variations in the horizontal structure (deposits of clay minerals, grain sizes of quartz, differences in the grain-cement) as well as a typical but fairly small fossil presence and variably porous strata.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elbe_Sandstone_Mountains
Some images from Elbe region:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elbe_Sands ... na_001.jpg
So no electrical methods involved? Of course, they are not going to mention that recrystalisation of sandstone can occur by EM processes, and also that sediments can be sorted into layers by modulated electric fields. So which was it, millions of years of slow change, or a short period of rapid change?
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Re: Electro-Magnetic Geomorphology

Unread postby seasmith » Mon Jul 21, 2014 4:25 pm

The inlets of a Cretaceous sea, together with marine currents, carried away sand over a very long period of time into a shallow zone of the sea and then the diagenetic processes at differing pressure regimes resulted in the formation of sandstone beds. Its stratification is characterized by variations in the horizontal structure (deposits of clay minerals, grain sizes of quartz, differences in the grain-cement) as well as a typical but fairly small fossil presence and variably porous strata.



Hi Gary, Their assertion is that the layered "beds" were deposited over a "very long period of time". It would have been a truly colossal volume of sediments, some having layers with fossils, and some without (i've actually been to the Arches a couple times).

The weight-bearing related ~recrystallizations~ and further curings of the 'cements', [that the phys.org article and lab work refer to] would seem to imply that the arch & pillar formation were excavated and formed
from a still somewhat "green" sandstone, in a much shorter span of time.


http://foundry101.com/new_page_7.htm
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Re: Electro-Magnetic Geomorphology

Unread postby GaryN » Sun Aug 03, 2014 12:03 pm

More unusual weathering, Garies, South Africa.
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Rain of asteroids melted early Earth, boiled its oceans, study shows

While scientists have long recognized that large and frequent impacts shook the Hadean Earth, the new study marks the first attempt to quantify what might have happened.

The researchers started out by translating recent estimates of the cratering history for the moon — published over the last few years by the same group of scientists — into similar estimates for the Earth.

“The reason is very simple: If you have a crater, you had an impact,” said Simone Marchi, a geologist at the Southwest Research Institute in Boulder, Colo., and lead author of the Nature study.


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http://www.latimes.com/science/sciencen ... story.html

If you have a crater you have an impact. Simple. It could also be an electric arc, and the physical features of many craters would seem to match the electrical and not impactor results. Why won't 'they' even consider the alternative?
The above image shows the size and extent of early impactor effects billions of years ago, and they know this for sure. Right.
Crater Orgins
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Re: Electro-Magnetic Geomorphology

Unread postby GaryN » Mon Aug 18, 2014 11:46 am

New mechanism of erosion revealed: Gorges are eradicated by downstream sweep erosion

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A team of scientists from the GFZ German Research Centre for Geosciences in Potsdam has now revealed a new mechanism that drives this process of fluvial erosion. The geoscientists analyzed the development of a gorge on the Da'an Chi river in Taiwan over a period of almost ten years. There, uplift that was caused by the Jiji earthquake of 1999 (magnitude 7.6), and that runs transverse to the river, had formed a blockage. Earthquakes of that size occur there every 300 to 500 years. "Before the quake there was no sign of a gorge at all in this riverbed, which is one and a half kilometers wide", explains Kristen Cook of the GFZ. "We have here the world's first real-time observation of the evolution of gorge width by fluvial erosion over the course of several years." Currently the gorge is roughly a kilometer long, 25 meters wide and up to 17 meters deep. Initially, the gorge walls were eroded at a rate of five meters per year, and today are still retreating one and a half meters per year
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Read more at: http://phys.org/news/2014-08-mechanism- ... d.html#jCp

The erosion rates indicate that what is being washed away is not a solid bedrock, but the compacted, dust, pebble and boulder matrix that was deposited when the canyon was originally electrically cut, and had settled back into the new canyon. As with the Texas dam overflow, the compacted, layered debris was scoured away. This was not the erosion of a solid bedrock.
http://www3.telus.net/myworld/texasflood.png
I have also seen a few examples locally, where road construction in places has lead to the formation of a new creek from runoff, and can cut a narrow, deep 'canyon' just during one rainy season. The sides of the new creek slump into the channel, the dust and fines are washed downstream, and the larger cobbles and boulders fall into the channel but remain there, resulting in a few feet deep deposit of just cobbles and boulders, which never wash downstream as there is not enough water flow pressure to move them. Once the loose material is washed away and the bedrock canyon sides are exposed, there is no more widening by errosion.
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