Electro-Magnetic Geomorphology

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Re: Electro-Magnetic Geomorphology

Unread postby GaryN » Mon Feb 24, 2014 2:05 pm

I was reading about the oldest so far found area of the Earths crust, based on the dating of Zircons from the Jack Hills of Australia.
Oldest bit of crust firms up idea of a cool early Earth
The new study confirms that zircon crystals from Western Australia's Jack Hills region crystallized 4.4 billion years ago, building on earlier studies that used lead isotopes to date the Australian zircons and identify them as the oldest bits of the Earth's crust. The microscopic zircon crystal used by Valley and his group in the current study is now confirmed to be the oldest known material of any kind formed on Earth.


Read more at: http://phys.org/news/2014-02-oldest-bit ... a.html#jCp

However, the first image that I saw when doing a search was this:
http://www.stevengrindle.com/two_d_art/ ... 4_full.jpg

Totally electric, from my no doubt biased perspective.

Then I was doing a search on the reliability of the dating method, and landed on this site, which, as well as commenting on dating methods, has many very interesting and informative articles and presentations, most of which I have not had time to look at in any detail yet, but seem to cover many of the subjects being discussed here on TB,and a good source of info on geological features too.

Zircons and Uranium-Lead Dating
http://www.detectingdesign.com/radiomet ... d%20Dating

Radiometric Dating Methods - The Emperor Has No Clothes ...
http://www.detectingdesign.com/radiometricdating.html

The Geological Column.
http://www.detectingdesign.com/geologiccolumn.html
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Re: Electro-Magnetic Geomorphology

Unread postby GaryN » Tue Feb 25, 2014 2:26 pm

For anyone in California, the ongoing drought presents a good opportunity to get down in some dried out river and creek beds and look for signs of electromagnetic forces at work at the smaller scale, and maybe strike it rich too!

Prospectors Say Drought Has Created California’s 2nd Gold Rush
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Re: Electro-Magnetic Geomorphology

Unread postby GaryN » Thu Apr 03, 2014 12:20 pm

Krubera Cave, Abkhazia – Deepest Known Cave on Earth
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http://myfuturetrips.com/krubera-cave-abkhazia-georgia
Right, over many millions of years, water has dissolved away huge volumes of limestone to create the caves, parts of which look like they have been machined. I wonder where the outlet is, where all the dissolved limestone must have gone? Deeper still? And how does dissolved limestone get out of the passages that dead end?
This does not appear to me to be the work of subterranean glaciers though ;-), so what else could it be??
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Re: Electro-Magnetic Geomorphology

Unread postby GaryN » Thu Apr 10, 2014 10:42 am

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The Kjeragbolten boulder is wedged in a crevice that is much larger in scale than what I see in my local area, but the overall pattern is just the same. I find them along the coast, along inlets, and also along river and creek courses. The sides of the crevice are generally flat and smooth, there are shattered, angular rocks at the base, and at the top there is a melted looking rounding of the bedrock, and rounded boulders. The Norwegian coast could be a twin of the BC coast in many places.
In this image it can be seen where the wedged boulder was ejected from the top of the crevice, and I also see similar features, at smaller scale, locally. Quite often the ejected pieces will be discoloured, mostly pinkish or pinky brown.
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Re: Electro-Magnetic Geomorphology

Unread postby GaryN » Mon May 12, 2014 9:05 am

Origin of Scandinavian gorges finally revealed
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The deep gorges which cut across Scandinavian landscapes may have been carved by rivers flowing under ancient glaciers, say scientists.

http://planetearth.nerc.ac.uk/news/story.aspx?id=1678

May have been. They aren't certain, so at least they are being honest in that respect, but they will never be able to present a computer simulation that shows such a process in action, as the mechanics just don't work, and they should know that. Unfortunately, with geology not being a real science, they have no real scientists to tell them just what a silly concept this really is. Not quite as silly as subterannean glaciers, but close. Only one mechanism could have carved these features, and of course it is not even on the radar of the faux science known as geology.
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Re: Electro-Magnetic Geomorphology

Unread postby GaryN » Mon May 26, 2014 10:12 pm

I was looking at some images taken on Baffin Island, Nunavut, and Mt Asgard really stands out:
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Mt.Thor is a little like Half Dome in Yosemite.
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I find it difficult to believe that glaciers have cut these features, but the geologists have come up with what they believe are the steps in the geomorphology process, along with lots of fancy technical terms and a timeline of when things happened.
As with all granite mountains, they must have formed deep within the Earth, and 'punched' up through the surface, there is no other explanation. As with this document from 1962, GEOLOGIC GUIDE TO THE MERCED CANYON AND YOSEMITE VALLEY, CALIFORNIA, and probably still today, they are trying to piece together a model that will explain when and how all the different features came about, but they admit it is a very complex, messy puzzle.
http://www.nps.gov/history/history/onli ... /index.htm
Though even many EU proponents may not be able to accept it, it seems that all these features are best explained by the action of huge electrical and magnetic forces, the magnitudes of which really do beggar belief, but we need to consider that we are seeing these features from a human perspective, and that really, in the grand scheme, they are merely surface scratches on our planet.
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Re: Electro-Magnetic Geomorphology

Unread postby GaryN » Mon Jun 02, 2014 2:45 pm

Not to be totally outdone by some of the more impressive monoliths,(as mentioned in Steve Smiths TPODs, https://www.thunderbolts.info/wp/2014/0 ... art-two-2/ ) we have on Vancouver Island some of our own oddities. Another volcanic core, with the surrounding material eroded away, according to the standard model:
Warden Peak
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_AZXIR56pxIo/T ... G_3813.jpg
Close by is Victoria Peak, with her Crown.
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_AZXIR56pxIo/T ... G_2819.JPG

This rock I pulled out of Todd Creek, a location I have been focusing on due to the diversity of apparent electrical/plasma effects noted, is a bit of a puzzle. I took it from within a shallow bowl of similar rocks in one location in the creek bed, but there are lots of locations with white surfaced rocks all along the creek. I thought the white was a biological film at first, dried out when the creek dried up, but on closer inspection, it is not biological. The white part was facing upwards, as it was with all the surrounding rocks. I have had 3 opinions on what caused it, 2 from local rockhounds, and one from a petrologist, and the only thing they could come up with was that it had been sprayed with an acid. Close enough for this cowboy...
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Re: Electro-Magnetic Geomorphology

Unread postby GaryN » Mon Jun 16, 2014 12:50 pm

This cobble caught my attention due to its split personality. However, it is easily noticeable that the patterns on either end have a swirling shape, and that there are many very fine lines or grooves that go all the way around.
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I don't think it is my imagination that the rock has circular patterns at the ends.
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A little hard to see here, but the circular lines are present.
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I'm believing that there was a high enough potential difference between the halves that a little surface discharge track was formed between the halves.
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At a larger scale, there are lots of examples of where it seems a rounded rock has formed between two objects that would have been at different potentials. With this one, a large chunk of rock that has been ejected from the bedrock walls of the river valley has fallen onto another piece that was on the river bed, and this has formed in between them. I won't believe that somehow this got caught between the pieces by sheer chance, or that it got washed into a gap between the two pieces later on.
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And larger again, this one has been formed similarly, as the smaller cobbles
on the left of the central boulder fit so precisely that the odds of them having been washed into the gap are impossibly large. The forked shape of the rock on the right also suggests a current flow formation.
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Is it just that I have a vivid imagination, or do these characteristics suggest very large scale EM activity?
The image quality is not the best, but I have put the original files in a Flickr folder:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/garyinsoo ... 251094813/
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Re: Electro-Magnetic Geomorphology

Unread postby Sparky » Tue Jun 17, 2014 7:06 am

Gary, you have some interesting images in this thread. Saw this on the news, and thought that this was a good place to exhibit. ;)

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The Richat Structure, or the Eye of the Sahara, is a 50-kilometer-wide (30 mile) circular feature in the world’s hottest desert. It’s made of concentric circles in various shades of blue and is best seen from space. For a long time, it was thought to be an impact crater, but recent research suggests that’s almost certainly not the case. The heat and pressure of a meteor strike leaves behind telltale compounds, including a form of silicon dioxide called coesite. The Eye has none.

Some people have noted a resemblance to Plato’s descriptions of Atlantis and suggest the mythical city may have had its home there. Even if Atlanteans had lived there, evidence suggests that the structure formed nearly 100 million years ago, so they didn’t build it. The extent of human habitation is a makeshift camp for adventurous tourists.

Another possibility is that the Richat Structure is the top of a volcano, but it’s not the bulged dome shape we’d expect to find. The current leading theory is that the feature was eroded into place over a long period of time. That covers what’s on the ground, but it leaves the circular shape an utter mystery.
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Re: Electro-Magnetic Geomorphology

Unread postby GaryN » Tue Jun 17, 2014 11:47 am

That's an impressive structure all right, but I don't see mention of a mascon associated with it, so it is not, IMO, an arc mode discharge. This page considers if it is a hydrological structure, but their 3d images show those telltale signs of electrical discharge tracks in the surrounding area. My money is on a glow mode discharge with the water outlets being surface discharge tracks. Would I find pebbles/cobbles/rounded boulders in those tracks?
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With the larger structures, it is and will for a long time be arguable about the cause, which is why I am looking at the smaller scale features found within what I consider to be the discharge tracks from large electrical events, but I include the pulsating nature of those electrical events, and especially the microwave frequency pulsations, which are the only way to explain the melting and shaping and metamorphosis of the originally only sandstone substrate. The Richat is all sandstone, so not the right type of event to have produced metamorphic rock.
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Re: Electro-Magnetic Geomorphology

Unread postby starbiter » Tue Jun 17, 2014 12:18 pm

GaryN wrote:That's an impressive structure all right, but I don't see mention of a mascon associated with it, so it is not, IMO, an arc mode discharge. This page considers if it is a hydrological structure, but their 3d images show those telltale signs of electrical discharge tracks in the surrounding area. My money is on a glow mode discharge with the water outlets being surface discharge tracks. Would I find pebbles/cobbles/rounded boulders in those tracks?
Is This An Ancient Spring from the Vast Watery Deep ?
http://media.marine-geo.org/files/image ... review.jpg
http://primary-water.blogspot.ca/2012/0 ... yahoo.html
With the larger structures, it is and will for a long time be arguable about the cause, which is why I am looking at the smaller scale features found within what I consider to be the discharge tracks from large electrical events, but I include the pulsating nature of those electrical events, and especially the microwave frequency pulsations, which are the only way to explain the melting and shaping and metamorphosis of the originally only sandstone substrate. The Richat is all sandstone, so not the right type of event to have produced metamorphic rock.


Hi Gary,

http://basementgeographer.com/the-richa ... he-sahara/

The above link claims there are rings of sandstone, granite and metamorphic rock. I see a diocotron instability while the air was choked with dust as the most likely explanation.

Hydrology may have been a factor. The areas to the South below 400 M may have been under water.

https://www.google.com/maps/@21.0875235 ... !1e4?hl=en

https://www.google.com/maps/@21.0875235 ... !1e4?hl=en

The explanation in the linked article is imaginative.

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Re: Electro-Magnetic Geomorphology

Unread postby GaryN » Wed Jun 18, 2014 10:43 am

Hi Michael.
The explanation in the linked article is imaginative.


I was going to say that all standard model geology requires a lot of imagination, but with an electrical explanation we are in the same boat, as the diversity of possible magnitudes, durations, and characteristics of each electrical event is going to result in a large diversity of observed effects. I don't see that there has been much drilling to try and confirm their proposed underground formations, to determine if those layers are very localised or if they go underground a long way in any direction, as they should if those pushed up, exposed edges are part of a larger formation.
And to me, most of the pushing up is more likely a pulling up due to the nature of the EM forces.
That there is no shocked quartz makes me think that there was no large arc mode discharge, but a glow mode discharge could still have RF, and even pulsed RF characteristics, but the heating in that case is much less efficient as it is only at the microwave frequencies that the dielectric properties of the rock come into effect. Below MW it is more a thermal heating, and rock is a good insulator, becoming a better insulator as the temperature rises, so you don't get a lot of spreading of the heat.
The thickness of those basalt flats you mention in your Duning thread might offer a clue there, as they can only be beyond a certain depth if from microwave induced dielectric heating. That smaller arc discharges could occur at the location where the glow mode discharge touches down seems likely to me, as well as the arc mode discharge channels, due to strong horizontal electric field gradients, that flow away from the contact point to form those supposedly water cut drainages.

Dielectric heating vs. ohmic heating
http://qmast.com/technology/dielectric- ... c-heating/

Have a heart! A little larger than my heart shaped pebbles. Put your imagination to work on this one.
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Re: Electro-Magnetic Geomorphology

Unread postby Sparky » Thu Jun 19, 2014 10:56 am

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Re: Electro-Magnetic Geomorphology

Unread postby GaryN » Thu Jun 19, 2014 1:40 pm

In the linked image, the boulder appears to be in the process of fissioning. In the above image, the smaller boulder at the left appears to have a tail. I enlarged as best I could, and it seems the tail is fused to the bedrock, or is still part of it, the process, as with the fissioning in the other image, is not complete.
Crafted over millions of years by torrential rain, battering wind, and extreme temperatures...

Or in the blink of an eye by rather different processes?
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Re: Electro-Magnetic Geomorphology

Unread postby GaryN » Tue Jun 24, 2014 10:02 pm

Well I couldn't stand working in my basement today, as perfect a day as could ever be had, so I went to a local beach and put in a good hike, and took some photos of some more (I'm sure) electrically modified oceanfront.
I sat in these extremely comfortable, tiny pebbles during refreshment, and got to looking closer at the pebbles. Hah! These little pebbles seem not to be bits chipped off larger rocks and then rounded by the tumbling action on the seashore. Even bye unaided close-up eyesight, I can see that the features in many of these pebbles are exquisite, small scale versions of their larger kin, with the delicate tendrils, veins, inclusions and patches of surface pattern all being at a scale in keeping with their size.
I'll obviously be looking at them under magnification sometime, right now I have to go back to my basement. :(

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Ella Road beach and Sooke Bluffs.
https://www.flickr.com/photos/garyinsoo ... 353070154/
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