Was the Great Pyramid an electric generator?

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Re: Was the Great Pyramid an electric generator?

Unread postby Chromium6 » Mon Jun 23, 2014 8:43 pm

The earlier material is quite fascinating.

Regarding the purpose of the pyramids at Giza... perhaps they were used as a source for negative ion generation? The negative ions could cause moderate weather control with the ram-pump creating a piezoelectric field from the limestone blocks? If priests could help bring the rain to the crops when needed, people would have built it. :?: Just a thought.


Proposed Negative Ion Generator

V. N. Patil, B. P. Patil, N. G. Shimpi, Ashish Jha Published in Applied Sciences

Proposed Negative Ion Generator
International Journal of Applied Information Systems
Year of Publication 2012
© 2010 by IJAIS Journal
Series Volume 3 Number 8

Abstract

Varied number of electrons is present in air, due to the cosmic radiation. This generates a negative electric field in the atmosphere. If this natural electric field increases, then the phenomena of the corona discharge can be seen. The study of this naturally generated corona discharge was used to make the changes in the geometry of our system. Many other systems were developed by different scientists, but they had various drawbacks like cost, effective working range and generation of pollutants e. g. ozone at ground level. This paper presents a method for weather modification by artificially generation of negative ion which is of low cost, more effective over wide range and eco-friendly.


http://www.ijais.org/archives/volume3/number8/255-0604
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Re: Was the Great Pyramid an electric generator?

Unread postby Chromium6 » Tue Jun 24, 2014 8:51 pm

ARTIFICIAL ATMOSPHERIC IONIZATION: A Potential Window for Weather Modification
http://www.agriculturedefensecoalition. ... raphic.pdf

5/02/2013 -- Artificial atmospheric ionization -- AMS Conference
Published on May 2, 2013
From a full American Meteorological Society Conference on the subject of using electricity to produce precipitation.
Corona effect ions.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lkmSlXQE_Rg
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Re: Was the Great Pyramid an electric generator?

Unread postby nick c » Wed Jun 25, 2014 7:40 am

How does (or did) the Great Pyramid generate electricity? What is the mechanism?
How about the other large pyramids and hundreds of smaller ones, what is their purpose?
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Re: Was the Great Pyramid an electric generator?

Unread postby David » Thu Jun 26, 2014 1:35 am

nick c wrote:How does (or did) the Great Pyramid generate electricity? What is the mechanism?
How about the other large pyramids and hundreds of smaller ones, what is their purpose?


“Many of the current mysteries of physics and the paranormal can be explained as detections of the charge field. The pyramid is just one of these.

"In a nutshell, the pyramid focuses the charge field. But it does this in a strictly mechanical way. Mainly it does it by blocking the charge field emitted by the Earth.

"A pyramid is a very efficient power generator. Given a source of free electrons, the pyramid will both attract them and focus them. All you need is a method of moving that electricity from the pyramid to where it is needed, and you have a usable grid. In fact, the great pyramids are acting as generators right now; the electricity is simply not being used. It is escaping into the Earth and Sky.

"The ancient Egyptians may have used it to power their cities, or they may have used it to tap the ionosphere, or for many other purposes.”

The Pyramid as an Electrical Structure – Miles Mathis

All you need to do is build a small pyramid in your backyard, and then run a copper wire from the top of the pyramid to your circuit breaker panel. Free electricity. Wow, Isn't that amazing! Thanks for the info Mr. Mathis.
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Re: Was the Great Pyramid an electric generator?

Unread postby JeffreyW » Thu Jun 26, 2014 5:23 am

No, the Great Pyramid was not an electrical generator. In electrical generators you need magnetic fields and conductors to cut the magnetic field lines (the magnetic field lines being representative of the magnetic fields of course there are no "lines").

This meaning for one there are moving parts to the contraption to allow for motion (the conductor cutting the magnetic field lines). As well there is a method to produce the magnetic field in the first place so that the conductor can cut the magnetic field lines, and the conductor needs to actually be able to conduct electrical current.

So we have problems, three big problems:

1. No moving parts. (I'm pretty sure all electrical generators have moving parts.)
2. Nothing producing the magnetism required for the conductor in motion to cut.
3. The rocks the pyramids are made out of are very poor conductors. Even if it did have metal the metal would have to be oriented in the direction to cut the magnetic field lines.

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If anything, lightning could have struck the top of the pyramids. But yea, that's about all the electricity that would probably flow though something like that. Besides, didn't the Ancient Egyptians know how to make simple batteries?
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Re: Was the Great Pyramid an electric generator?

Unread postby Sparky » Thu Jun 26, 2014 8:25 am

(I'm pretty sure all electrical generators have moving parts.)


Not if you can accept that a battery is also a generator... ;)

Therein are only atomic and molecular size moving parts..... ;)
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Re: Was the Great Pyramid an electric generator?

Unread postby Armand » Thu Jun 26, 2014 10:49 am

The Pyramids are Stargates... (follow me for minute)

There is a Planetary (Energy) Grid which connects the Earth to the rest of the Universe...

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The Planetary (Energy) Grid

And along this Planetary Grid there are many nexus points (or vortex points)...

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The Nexus Points on the Planetary Grid

And on many of these nexus points we find Temples or Pyramids put there by various Ancient cultures...

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The Planetary Grid: Sacred Temples

Now these nexus points (or vortex points) are endpoints connected to Hyper-dimensional Wormholes...

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Hyper-dimensional Wormholes

And these Hyper-dimensional Wormholes connect to other places all over the Universe...

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Connected Hyper-dimensional Wormholes

They are natural portals - not just to other places in Space, but also to other places in Time...

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Multiple Earths

And some of the structures built on these nexus points are Stargates, like the one depicted in the movie...

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Stargate - The Movie

And like in the movie, the Pyramid Builders placed gates (like the Iris) on these portals - to control access...

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The Stargate Iris (controlling access to the portal)

Could that be why the Great Seal has that All-Seeing-Eye (Iris) at the top of the Pyramid?
(Keeping guard - an eye - on the gate/portal)...

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The Great Seal - with the All Seeing Eye (Iris)

Are they telling us that pyramids are gates? (like those in a fortress, or a prison)...

And is that why the Grotto tunnel was hastily constructed? To disable (or force open) the gate...
(shorting out the stone circuitry - so to speak)... (I always wondered who dug that gotto - and why?)

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Chamber and Passage System of the Great Pyramid

That's the story I received while meditating behind the Great Sphinx - during my 1999 visit to Egypt.

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The Great Sphinx of Egypt...

Makes me wonder...

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Re: Was the Great Pyramid an electric generator?

Unread postby nick c » Thu Jun 26, 2014 11:39 am

Armand,
That is imaginative, but it really explains nothing and has no supporting evidence.
You are confusing science fiction with science fact. Do you have any supporting evidence other than the SF movie "Stargate"?
What is a "hyper dimensional wormhole?" :roll:
What scientific evidence is there that such a thing could even exist?

I will ask the question again:
How does a pyramid generate electrical power..... or wormholes or whatever?
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Re: Was the Great Pyramid an electric generator?

Unread postby Sparky » Thu Jun 26, 2014 1:55 pm

Here is one theory: http://youtu.be/E1Zg_UFKptM
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Re: Was the Great Pyramid an electric generator?

Unread postby nick c » Thu Jun 26, 2014 2:41 pm

Sparky,
Here is a criticism of that theory:
http://www.margaretmorrisbooks.com/xcerpt07.html

How about a working model, why does not someone make a model that demonstrates how a pyramid made of stone could be an electrical generator? Many of the pyramids are still intact, why is it that they are not generating electricity now?
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Re: Was the Great Pyramid an electric generator?

Unread postby Chromium6 » Thu Jun 26, 2014 9:25 pm

This site has a few items of interest regarding piezoelectric effects from the quartz blocks.

LongTermAirman's earlier post from last year fits with this and is technically provable:
http://sentinelkennels.com/Research_Article_V41.html

Note I don't believe everything posted below but it does lend more clues to the pyramid working as a possible device for ion generation and hence rain production? I don't believe in claims of a "global" effects.

I suppose this could be duplicated on a smaller scale like in the sentinelkennels.com article. And with the earlier article of modern ion generation in Texas to create rain.

http://www.human-resonance.org/levitation_basins.html

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An outspoken local wisdom-keeper of the Giza plateau, Egyptologist and tour-guide Abd'el Hakim Awyan has brought ancient knowledge to bear on the profound implications of these astounding ancient constructions. Hakim's provocative commentary on the misconceptions of modern academics concerning the ancient stone structures of the Nile region was broadcast in The Pyramid Code, a documentary produced by Dr. Carmen Boulter, Professor at the University of Calgary:

In this carefully researched documentary, Hakim reveals several insights, including the advanced nature of the psychoacoustic and biorhythmic effects of these ancient Sanskrit monuments that have been falsely attributed to the 'Egyptian' civilization:

In 1936, 1937, the Sphinx was covered up to the neck in sand; [this] was my playground - there were tunnels I used to walk, [and even] crawl in sometimes because it's narrow. At Abu Ghurab we have a crystal altar, a round disc in the middle of four [radial lines] - a symbol of 'hotep' - and the word 'hotep' means peace and food. This round disc is a lid on a shaft, about 180 feet deep to the level of the ocean and there is still running water in there and you can feel it while you are in the area.

These [giant concave quartz] instruments, were not found in a line like you see today, nine of them were found around the area, and there are still more to be found. And then we have the oldest obelisk created in Egypt. Next to that altar - what's left of... the... hieroglyph writing, that is Sufi writing, at the obelisk... [depicting] the disc of the Sun, and words saying the Heart of the Sun: 'i-bra'...

Limestone basins were also collected near the northwest corner of the remains of the giant obelisk at Abu Ghurab, each bearing identical forms and carefully rendered circular concavities (below). A view of the squared blocks from above reflects the ancient Sanskrit mandala of a circle within a square, while the strict adherence to geometry and identical forms of the many basins belies a complex mechanical purpose that has not yet been identified by modern Egyptologists or any independent researchers.

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These many stone basins have remained a mystery for generations of modern Egyptologists, who claim the basins were used in the blood collection of ritual sacrifices. While no trace residues of blood have been found on any of the stone basins, this hypothesis is further complicated by the fact that the three holes are located near the upper rim of the basin, not at the bottom. This feature indicates that the holes were not designed to let out blood from animals placed in the huge basins, but were actually used to fill the basins with water. But if the basins are filled without a drain outlet, where does the water go?

The huge quartz basins were designed with one borehole centered on each of the four sides of the square bases of the instruments, while the comparable limestone examples display three machine-drilled holes on just one side of the square blocks. As well, the diameters of the bowls appear to be uniform, suggesting they were part of a large array that once surrounded the pyramids before being collected in groups by Egyptian authorities for present-day public display.

The identical dimensions and curvature of the many stone basins, with perfectly rendered geometric forms, gives the appearance of having been serially manufactured through mold-making processes rather than being quarried and carved in a solid state. Abundant evidence of this fact has been ignored for close to 30 years by much of the academic community, despite publication in scientific journals. The geopolymer research of Dr. Jacob Davidovits documents the lower density of the limestone blocks of the Great Pyramid, showing them to have been synthetically cast using a concrete-like slurry composed quite differently than all naturally sedimented limestone. The pyramid's massive limestone blocks contain an exotic admixture of opal CT, hydroxy-apatite and silico-aluminates that enhance the limestone's natural capacity to convert all atmospheric acoustic energy into an electrical current within the crystals, inducing a strong electromagnetic field around the pyramid structures and within their passages and chambers.

Both the low density and exotic mineral composition of the limestone basins may reveal their synthetic nature, while the quartz basins bear drill marks that suggest they were quarried stones. The modular nature of the blocks suggests they were distributed around the pyramids as part of the original walled enclosure that once surrounded each of the three pyramids on the Giza plateau

The specific and exclusive use of piezoelectric calcite and quartz crystals for the construction of the pyramids themselves, and the large basins that once surrounded them in great numbers, relates to their transducive capacity to focus and amplify acoustic waves. Mechanical flexing occurs in the quartz and calcite crystals as a uniform structural deformation that generates standing waves within the stones' crystalline lattice, eventually building a strong electromagnetic field that allows acoustic levitation.

The high-walled enclosure, resembling a courtyard, contained energetic waters identified by the local indigenous wisdom traditions as Lake Hathor. The lake waters were absorbed by the porous limestone of the pyramids, and provided direct electrical connection to the subterranean water table and thereby to the world's oceans. The pyramid texts of Saqqara describe this absorption of water within the stones in exact terms, stating that the pyramids' "foundations are the stones, the water..." The hieroglyphic inscription on the obelisk at Abu Ghurab reads "Heart of the Sun" in reference to the pyramid network's piezoelectric transduction of the infrasound resonance of the sun, at the 1.45 Hz frequency of the human heart at rest. Were the pyramids responsible for the regulation of global heartbeat patterns and weather patterns?

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Re: Was the Great Pyramid an electric generator?

Unread postby LongtimeAirman » Sun Jun 29, 2014 9:47 am

Chr6, I thought I heard my name, thanks! Just between you and me, those basin-like objects appear to be insulators with cable openings, or better, La Point magnets, what's their composition?

http://sentinelkennels.com/Research_Article_V41.html

The great pyramid was a water-driven powerhouse. Its primary function was a hydraulic ram pump to move irrigation water. It is well known that the pyramid had a retaining wall that held water around the base of the pyramid. This was the pyramid's source water supply, a sort of raised moat. Other channels fed that. The complex could be under a great deal of water, and the pyramid's performance wouldn't be affected.

But the pyramid also created electrical power. While operating in pump mode, enormous water and air pressure differentials were generated within the pyramid by the large volumes of cycling water, rapidly alternating between positive and negative 3,000 psi (or more), primarily by the piezoelectric effect on the interior surfaces of the pyramid.
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Piezoelectric
In fact, the larger and stronger you make the pyramid, the more electrical power is created, which I guess follow a cube law. Miles' point that there is a charge differential, causing a constant inrush of photons from above also points to the efficiency of increased scale.

Nick C. You can see why we cannot make a miniature working model, not when the larger scale is so important. I suppose that we could build a scale model, but it would be extremely hard to match the amazing accuracy of those ancient builders. The very size of the pyramid alone attests to its success as a power generator.

Consider yourself a pyramid power expert. You know what energies are available, but how do you exploit them? How do you take advantage of the power available? Over many generations of effort, many applications were undoubtedly found. They would simply experiment till they found an entire technology based on the pyramid's output potentials.

It is no great stretch to recognize that by placing huge specialized priezo crystals in particular configurations the entire structure could exhibit high potentials and magnetic fields that would affect neighboring structures in wireless fashion as indicated by my previous links. But that's just for starters.

Lets discuss this stuff rationally.

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Re: Was the Great Pyramid an electric generator?

Unread postby Chromium6 » Sun Jun 29, 2014 12:37 pm

This interview on Davidovits' geopolymers is interesting:

Red Ice Radio - Joseph Davidovits - The Construction of the Pyramids
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nifbaRv7RVw


Geopolymer Institute
http://www.geopolymer.org/

http://www.geopolymer.org/archaeology/p ... er-stone-2
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Re: Was the Great Pyramid an electric generator?

Unread postby LongtimeAirman » Sun Jun 29, 2014 3:50 pm

Our paleomagnetic investigation of the two great Egyptian pyramids, Kufu and Khafre, is based on the assumption that if the blocks were made in situ by the geopolymer concrete technique described above, then their magnetic moments would all have been parallel, oriented approximately in the north-south direction. However, if the pyramids were constructed from blocks transported from the nearby quarries, having been rotated randomly during transport and construction, then the directions of their magnetic moments would be oriented randomly

The lack of random magnetic fields between adjacent 'stones' is no real proof that they were cast in place. In my opinion, the cycling pyramid's own overall magnetic field eventually realigned all the pyramid's individual stones.

On the other hand, these stones do deem to be more complicated than just limestone.

In either case, when operating, the stones probably approached a saturation from the ever present water that also enabled E/M field creation.

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Re: Was the Great Pyramid an electric generator?

Unread postby Chromium6 » Sun Jun 29, 2014 8:18 pm

LongtimeAirman wrote:
Our paleomagnetic investigation of the two great Egyptian pyramids, Kufu and Khafre, is based on the assumption that if the blocks were made in situ by the geopolymer concrete technique described above, then their magnetic moments would all have been parallel, oriented approximately in the north-south direction. However, if the pyramids were constructed from blocks transported from the nearby quarries, having been rotated randomly during transport and construction, then the directions of their magnetic moments would be oriented randomly

The lack of random magnetic fields between adjacent 'stones' is no real proof that they were cast in place. In my opinion, the cycling pyramid's own overall magnetic field eventually realigned all the pyramid's individual stones.

On the other hand, these stones do deem to be more complicated than just limestone.

In either case, when operating, the stones probably approached a saturation from the ever present water that also enabled E/M field creation.

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This article points to a mix of different stones.

http://www.blackwell-synergy.com/loi/jace
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Abstract:
Microstructural Evidence of Reconstituted Limestone Blocks in the Great Pyramids of Egypt

M. W. Barsoum (1), A. Ganguly (1) and G. Hug (2)
How the Great Pyramids of Giza were built has remained an enduring mystery. In the mid-1980s, Joseph Davidovits proposed that the pyramids were cast in situ using granular limestone aggregate and an alkali alumino-silicate-based binder. Hard evidence for this idea, however, remained elusive. Using primarily scanning and transmission electron microscopy, we compared a number of pyramid limestone samples with six different limestone samples from their vicinity. The pyramid samples contained microconstituents (μc’s) with appreciable amounts of Si in combination with elements, such as Ca and Mg, in ratios that do not exist in any of the potential limestone sources. The intimate proximity of the μc’s suggests that at some time these elements had been together in a solution. Furthermore, between the natural limestone aggregates, the μc’s with chemistries reminiscent of calcite and dolomite—not known to hydrate in nature—were hydrated. The ubiquity of Si and the presence of submicron silica-based spheres in some of the micrographs strongly suggest that the solution was basic. Transmission electron microscope confirmed that some of these Si-containing μc’s were either amorphous or nanocrystalline, which is consistent with a relatively rapid precipitation reaction. The sophistication and endurance of this ancient concrete technology is simply astounding.
(J. Davidovits, concrete, agglomerated limestone, re-agglomerated, man-made, artificial stone, geopolymer, pyramid)

(1) Department of Materials Science and Engineering, Drexel University, Philadelphia,Pennsylvania 19104 (USA)
(2) LEM ONERA-CNRS, Châtillon, Cedex, France

http://www.geopolymer.org/news/cutting- ... mid-theory

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#A: X-Ray analysis of Pyramids’ casing stones and their limestone quarries
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by Joseph Davidovits

published in Science in Egyptology, Proceedings of the Science in Egyptology Symposia, Manchester, U.K., pp. 511-520, 1984.

The hypothesis that the limestone that constitutes the major pyramids of the Old Kingdom of Egypt is man-made stone, is discussed. Samples from six different sites at the traditionally associated quarries of Turah and Mokattam have been studied using thin-section, chemical X-Ray analysis and X-Ray diffraction. The results were compared with pyramid casing stones of Cheops, Teti and Seneferu. The quarry samples are pure limestone consisting of 96-99% Calcite, 0.5-2.5% Quartz, and very small amount of dolomite, gypsum and iron-alumino-silicate. On the other hand the Cheops and Teti casing stones are limestone consisting of: calcite 85-90% and a high amount of special minerals such as Opal CT, hydroxy-apatite, a silico-aluminate, which are not found in the quarries. The pyramid casing stones are light in density and contain numerous trapped air bubbles, unlike the quarry samples which are uniformly dense. If the casing stones were natural limestone, quarries different from those traditionally associated with the pyramid sites must be found, but where? X-Ray diffraction of a red casing stone coating is the first proof to demonstrate the fact that a complicated man-made geopolymeric system was produced in Egypt 4,700 years ago.

http://www.geopolymer.org/library/archa ... e-quarries
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