Was the Great Pyramid an electric generator?

Beyond the boundaries of established science an avalanche of exotic ideas compete for our attention. Experts tell us that these ideas should not be permitted to take up the time of working scientists, and for the most part they are surely correct. But what about the gems in the rubble pile? By what ground-rules might we bring extraordinary new possibilities to light?

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Re: Was the Great Pyramid an electric generator?

Unread postby Krackonis » Mon Sep 23, 2013 6:25 pm

rkm wrote:I saw a documentary that said the pyramid originally had a gold cap, like the whole thing was a pyramidal lightning attractor. There's also a subterranean tunnel, which might have served as a grounding channel. If there is ~200 volt/meter potential gradient near the Earth's surface, wouldn't it be possible for the pyramid to capture a current, even when it's not stormy? How they might have used the current for anything useful is another question.


I think of it as functioning in a much higher electrical environment. I also see that if it had a cavity resonating and rotating within it, the pyramid could create and maintain a magnetic field. The charges in the center would cause opposite flows on the outside generating a large resonating field.
Since it was a area of high charge only at the top, then like a charged mountain there would be a concentration of electric potential that may have pulled down plasma from above. This could have been like a pillar of wispy fire, giving the Pyramids there rightful name. Much like a tornado, but with more power to it's charge sheathed vortex, these constructions would have saved all monuments nearby from the inevitable powerful lightning strikes that would exist without them.

This does not preclude other 'sacred geometry' benefits that seem associated with the inexplicable fascination with frequency and tones that the ancients attested to as truth yet we are only beginning to understand. Perhaps we can bridge that gap.

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Re: Was the Great Pyramid an electric generator?

Unread postby justcurious » Tue Sep 24, 2013 12:20 am

justcurious wrote:Some interesting discoveries at the Bosnian pyramid. Ancient man made ceramic megaliths inside the pyramid, lying over underground water tunnels. Electricity being generated etc: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hssZRDAGgxU


Looks like I got fooled into a hoax.
Although the pyramid aerial views look like pyrmamids.
Maybe they need to excavate instead of showing old mining or army tunnels to tourists.
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Re: Was the Great Pyramid an electric generator?

Unread postby D_Archer » Tue Sep 24, 2013 1:30 am

justcurious wrote:Looks like I got fooled into a hoax.
Although the pyramid aerial views look like pyrmamids.
Maybe they need to excavate instead of showing old mining or army tunnels to tourists.


Why do you think hoax?

In any case there is a steady frequency coming out at the top of the pyramid of the sun.

http://www.piramidasunca.ba/eng/latest-news/item/8073-bosnian-pyramid-ultrasound-frequency-decoded.html

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Re: Was the Great Pyramid an electric generator?

Unread postby justcurious » Tue Sep 24, 2013 9:49 am

D_Archer wrote:Why do you think hoax?


I saw a documentary about it, and did some research, checked what I could check.
There may be a pyramid under there, but it hasn't been uncovered yet from what I can tell.
The tunnels seem fake perhaps wartime tunnels or old mines.
The main promoter seems more concerned with tourism and "glorious Bosnia" than science.
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Re: Was the Great Pyramid an electric generator?

Unread postby D_Archer » Tue Sep 24, 2013 11:09 am

justcurious wrote:
D_Archer wrote:Why do you think hoax?


I saw a documentary about it, and did some research, checked what I could check.
There may be a pyramid under there, but it hasn't been uncovered yet from what I can tell.
The tunnels seem fake perhaps wartime tunnels or old mines.
The main promoter seems more concerned with tourism and "glorious Bosnia" than science.


Mainstream says it is hoax.

Dr. Osmanagich had to go to court to get the permission to start excavations and he won, since then the excavations started. Trenches on the pyramids and excavating the Ravne tunnel complex.

There is no conclusive evidence that would convince the mainstream yet but what would? The "professional" archeological community was naysaying from the beginning.

In any case, lots more to discover.

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Re: Was the Great Pyramid an electric generator?

Unread postby GaryN » Tue Sep 24, 2013 1:25 pm

@jc
The main promoter seems more concerned with tourism and "glorious Bosnia" than science.


I had some brief communication with Osmanagich, as I was wondering if the odd passages of the Egyptian pyramids had a counterpart in the South American pyramids, which were originally his speciality. He said yes, there were some S.A. pyramids with angular, sloping passages, and chambers with no obvious function. The difference was in scale, and in the S.A. case, some of the passages were so tight that it was very claustrophobic, impassable in places, and they would seem not to have been intended for any (known) human purpose. I'd really like to visit the Bosnian site myself, to get the 'feel' of it, and though tourism may be a part of the operation, I don't believe that is the primary purpose. Something out of keeping with the present model of history was occurring there, IMO. Things like that ceramic slab just add to the mystery.
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Re: Was the Great Pyramid an electric generator?

Unread postby nick c » Tue Sep 24, 2013 2:15 pm

GaryN wrote:I was wondering if the odd passages of the Egyptian pyramids had a counterpart in the South American pyramids
No they do not. Pyramid type structures appear around the world but bear little in common with each other in terms of construction techniques or interior rooms and passages, if any. In fact each of the large Egyptian pyramids are quite different from each other including interior layouts.

See I. E. S. Edwards The Pyramids of Egypt which has diagrams of the interiors of all the major Egyptian pyramids.
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Re: Was the Great Pyramid an electric generator?

Unread postby justcurious » Tue Sep 24, 2013 8:34 pm

There are also some youtube vidoes (ie save the pyramids) of tractors excavating the pyramids for raw materials in Guatemala. They have some tunnels in them it seems, but looking rather primitive.
I am not saying the Bosnian pyramid is not pyramids. Just that, I can't trust the promoter 100%.
The tunnels are not in the pyramids, apparently they "lead to" the pyramids.
I plan to visit them one day to see for myself. According to the critics, the boulders are just boulders, not ceramic.
The excavations that I saw are on the edges of the pyramids, the so-called spiral paths leading to the top.
That's why I say, he should take more time excavating the actual thing rather than digging (or enlarging) tunnels a mile away. If he wanted to be scientific, he would have taken pictures of the tunnels before enlarging them, I find that unprofessional and dubious.
Search for Bosnian Pyramid Hoax on youtube, you should find the documentary quite easily.
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Re: Was the Great Pyramid an electric generator?

Unread postby Krackonis » Tue Oct 01, 2013 12:33 pm

justcurious wrote:
D_Archer wrote:Why do you think hoax?


I saw a documentary about it, and did some research, checked what I could check.
There may be a pyramid under there, but it hasn't been uncovered yet from what I can tell.
The tunnels seem fake perhaps wartime tunnels or old mines.
The main promoter seems more concerned with tourism and "glorious Bosnia" than science.


I have talked with Sam and he seems convinced. I gave him some of my insights on what could be what, but honestly, I see some places that look worked and some possibility of concrete being used. There are old structures there, but how far do they go, what scale, are there any artifacts present? Are they actually pyramids?

In conceptual EU theory all mountain tops, especially after a good rain, should have a charge building at the top of them. Just like a tall tower poking up into a storms electric field, the potential for a strike is higher as the tower would tend to focus the charge in the surrounding landscape. During a thunderstorm this would be very apparent. The terrain and Telluric currents in the area will drastically affect this effect... Hence we enter into the idea of "ley lines" and "crossing" and building charge along crustal discontinuities... The point is the energy measured from the Bosnian Pyramid of the Sun may be a natural effect, or so that may not be a valid argument, although it does compel me to ask more questions out of sheer curiosity.
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Re: Was the Great Pyramid an electric generator?

Unread postby LongtimeAirman » Sun Nov 10, 2013 11:59 am

1) I recently enjoyed reading The Primer Fields? viewtopic.php?f=10&t=9221&start=165#p86744. The Magnetic Bowls (each with a small hole at the bottom) alone display many new properties as demonstrated by Mr. LaPoint in his videos. Hook them up as capacitors with high energy and frequencies in a lightly gassed vacuum chamber and you can create all sorts of plasma displays including miniature nebulae.

2) This next article describes, I think, amplification of a magnetic field using a larger magnetic shell. It even includes the interaction within an array of 4 shells. http://m.phys.org/news/2013-01-magnetic ... ields.html (I forgot where I got it; it must have been here but my search for magnetic shell came up empty).

3) http://sentinelkennels.com/Research_Article_V41.html
This is by far the most straightforward explanation for the various passageways and chambers within the pyramids. This is the pyramid's power supply, (not to mention irrigation for all). Thank you mamuso!

4) Add to that the fact that the great water and gas pressures generated piezoelectric effects of the granite blocks within the King's and Queen's Chambers. Also hydrolysis of water into hydrogen and oxygen, with vents allowing recombination on the pyramid's surface.

5) Also the original copper sheaths of the pyramids and nearby structures were stolen long ago. I don't have a source for that. Given the above, the piezo-generated fields were amplified and present on the larger surface of the pyramid. The field present on the surface of the great pyramid was picked up and shared by nearby structures.

The whole Giza complex was a single active field generated by water and stone. Plenty of power to tap or modulate.

I'm still new to this so tell me if I'm behind the power curve. This is too much like a candy store.

I also need to learn how to drive this convenient little device, I hope I didn't break the url's.

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Re: Was the Great Pyramid an electric generator?

Unread postby ztifbob » Tue Nov 12, 2013 10:45 am

I love the work of Ted Whidden on the Pyramid question. Here is his website:

http://solomonseries.com/

A lot of the links don't work & the videos are reptitive, but if you stick with you will find a lot of good thinking going on. Ted is a specialist in moving large structures & equipment for the oil industry and spent a good chunk of time in Egypt studying Giza as a hobby using knowledge gained from his profession. He believes the Great Pyramid was a well structure and navigational aid. Simple as that, a structure also built with the help of hydraulic water lifts. He goes to great lengths laying this out with fine engeneering style drawings & analysis. His pyramid work is not his main interest but rather his spiritual calling is. This will also be found on the website...but if that puts you off too bad as you will miss some excellent stuff. Ted has been burdened with medical issues for some time now so the website needs work. Email him for his book(s) where the story is fleshed very well. One key element in the book i read recently, not found in the videos as i recall, is the Pyramid well stopped at different times & had to be trouble shot & restarted. This made for alterations & changes or atempted fixes over time to the original design. This leaves us with a "pile of stones" that's harder to make sense of than it otherwise might be.
I could go on & on as i have read on Giza extensively & was there myself late one night many years ago standing atop & beneath one of the smaller pyramids with a friend & our intrepid Egyptian guide. Ted's work is the best on the 'Hows' of the Pyramid story imo...
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Re: Was the Great Pyramid an electric generator?

Unread postby ztifbob » Wed Nov 13, 2013 1:54 pm

mamuso wrote:I think pyramids were multipurpose.

I'm very confident they were ram pumps.
See
http://sentinelkennels.com/Research_Article_V41.html
http://atlaspub.20m.com/giza/pg5.htm

The ram pump generated pulses that made the king's chamber resonate, which has layers of granite hard to explain to be there if not by some piezoelectric properties. So they may have some electric use.


I sent the top link to Ted Whidden & this was his reply:

Cadmon's idea misses a few critical steps. For one the water "lift" he uses in his examples and in his research requires a prime mover in order to work. All he has done is show a conventional system used to convert pressure/volume..............By decreasing the sizes of orifices and such you can drive/lift water. Although you need a massive water flow/power in advance because there is a power/flow loss all along the lift process, just like any friction or power take off device..............In his examples in the woods what he fails to demonstrate is the water coming to his system is already falling by way of flow down a hill. He just taps in and redirects power provided by an external force (gravity). In his pyramid work he fails to show where that force/power comes from because clearly there is no such power to tap................His approach works for what it really is, but his pyramid applications are wild hoaxes. He is off the path.
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Re: Was the Great Pyramid an electric generator?

Unread postby LongtimeAirman » Sun Nov 17, 2013 5:42 pm

Ztifbob,

This bothers me.

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I sent the top link to Ted Whidden & this was his reply:Cadmon's idea misses a few critical steps. For one the water "lift" he uses in his examples and in his research requires a prime mover in order to work. All he has done is show a conventional system used to convert pressure/volume..............He is off the path.


The prime mover is clearly gravity. To refer to to the structure within the Great Pyramid as "a conventional system used to convert pressure/volume ...", is disingenuous. Cadmon's calcs showed pressure swings up to 3,000lbs. That's sufficient for piezo effects.

But more importantly, what do you think?

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Re: Was the Great Pyramid an electric generator?

Unread postby ztifbob » Sun Nov 17, 2013 9:21 pm

LongtimeAirman wrote:Ztifbob,

This bothers me.

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I sent the top link to Ted Whidden & this was his reply:Cadmon's idea misses a few critical steps. For one the water "lift" he uses in his examples and in his research requires a prime mover in order to work. All he has done is show a conventional system used to convert pressure/volume..............He is off the path.


The prime mover is clearly gravity. To refer to to the structure within the Great Pyramid as "a conventional system used to convert pressure/volume ...", is disingenuous. Cadmon's calcs showed pressure swings up to 3,000lbs. That's sufficient for piezo effects.

But more importantly, what do you think?

REMcB

You edited out all the relevant points from Ted's reply & seem not to understand his response. Cadmon's model system enjoys a source of energy lacking at Giza, namely, water flowing down a nearby hill.

I think the Pyramid sleuths often suffer the same problem as many of the JFK assassination buffs...to give one example. They don't question passed around theories/suppositions which soon magically evolve into facts & are used to support their own theory. And they quietly omit established facts which don't fit their theory. Lastly ancient alien's or some such deus ex machina are invoked to make it all work.
(see: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deus_ex_machina)

In his work Ted takes you from a barren plateau to what we see today with basic technology & engineering principles. Stone movement, size, & weight, cutting precision etc. are investigated and shown to be clearly at odds with commonly passed around 'truths' of many Pyramid researchers. Things like the fact that courses of stone in the great Pyramid start larger decrease in size, then are larger again only to decrease in size once more, again & again as one ascends are observed & understood in his analysis.

The Sphinx sits in a hole (quarry site?) & shows water damage...there are signs of ground water all over Giza. Is it hard to believe the Sphinx was once surrounded by water which accelerated the damage? Rather than being vastly older so rain & a heretofore unknown super ancient civilization can be invoked to understand the Sphinx?
Cadmon has Dunn on his page. Read his work then read Ted's...night & day for me.
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Re: Was the Great Pyramid an electric generator?

Unread postby mamuso » Mon Nov 18, 2013 2:18 am

Ztifbob, his response to your message seems to me a clear straw man technique. I think he sees it as a rival theory... I've also read his rant on another pump theory, Kunkel's I think, (http://www.solomonseries.com/freedownloads15.htm). That shit happens when people try to live on "science".

A ram pump is very simple, in each cycle it uses the potential (gravitational) energy of some water to lift less water to a higher level. The "prime mover" postulated is the Nile river. Not a small power source indeed.

I can understand why he says Cadman points to no power source, although its pretty clear that Cadman purposes Nile as the source: he purposes groundwater as its water source instead for some theory I don't know (cause it's unclear to me how to get his so called free ebook).

I would love to see a real independent research on these two hypothesis.

BTW, Ztifbob, can you point me to his (repeatedly mentioned in the web but hard to find) free ebook? The website is ludicrously bad designed and the content really scatterd around. I'm interested in his theory, as I've learned to ignore rants and to go to the real info and ideas (if you have read Miles Mathis you know what I'm saying).
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