Are the planets growing?

Beyond the boundaries of established science an avalanche of exotic ideas compete for our attention. Experts tell us that these ideas should not be permitted to take up the time of working scientists, and for the most part they are surely correct. But what about the gems in the rubble pile? By what ground-rules might we bring extraordinary new possibilities to light?

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Are cracks appearing in plate tectonics theory? :-)

Unread postby moonkoon » Tue Feb 23, 2016 5:39 pm

Big science mulls possible expansion on Charon.
This is from a report at NASA's New Horizons mission website.

Pluto’s ‘Hulk-like’ Moon Charon: A Possible Ancient Ocean?
February 18, 2016

... The side of Charon viewed by the passing New Horizons spacecraft in July 2015 is characterized by a system of “pull apart” tectonic faults, which are expressed as ridges, scarps and valleys—the latter sometimes reaching more than 4 miles (6.5 kilometers) deep. Charon’s tectonic landscape shows that, somehow, the moon expanded in its past, and –like Bruce Banner tearing his shirt as he becomes the Incredible Hulk – Charon’s surface fractured as it stretched. ...


The suggested mechanism is phase change, specifically subsurface water-ice expansion. The story contains a link to an excellent hi-res photo of the aftermath of the “pull apart” tectonic activity. Well worth a click.

Congratulations to NASA for another successful mission.
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Re: Are the planets growing?

Unread postby allynh » Wed Feb 24, 2016 9:35 am

Thanks, moonkoon. That's a gem.

February 18, 2016 Pluto’s ‘Hulk-like’ Moon Charon: A Possible Ancient Ocean?
http://pluto.jhuapl.edu/News-Center/New ... e=20160218
Charon_SerenityChasma.jpg

Image credit: NASA/Johns Hopkins University Applied Physics Laboratory/Southwest Research Institute

Pluto’s largest moon may have gotten too big for its own skin.

Images from NASA’s New Horizons mission suggest that Charon once had a subsurface ocean that has long since frozen and expanded, pushing out on the moon’s surface and causing it to stretch and fracture on a massive scale.

The side of Charon viewed by the passing New Horizons spacecraft in July 2015 is characterized by a system of “pull apart” tectonic faults, which are expressed as ridges, scarps and valleys—the latter sometimes reaching more than 4 miles (6.5 kilometers) deep. Charon’s tectonic landscape shows that, somehow, the moon expanded in its past, and –like Bruce Banner tearing his shirt as he becomes the Incredible Hulk – Charon’s surface fractured as it stretched.

Charon’s outer layer is primarily water ice. When the moon was young this layer was warmed by the decay of radioactive elements, as well as Charon’s own internal heat of formation. Scientists say Charon could have been warm enough to cause the water ice to melt deep down, creating a subsurface ocean. But as Charon cooled over time, this ocean would have frozen and expanded (as happens when water freezes), pushing the surface outward and producing the massive chasms we see today.

This image focuses on a section of the feature informally named Serenity Chasma, part of a vast equatorial belt of chasms on Charon. In fact, this system of chasms is one of the longest seen anywhere in the solar system, running at least 1,100 miles (about 1,800 kilometers) long and reaching 4.5 miles (7.5 kilometers) deep. By comparison, the Grand Canyon is 277 miles (446 kilometers) long and just over a mile (1.6 kilometers) deep.

The lower portion of the image shows color-coded topography of the same scene. Measurements of the shape of this feature tell scientists that Charon’s water-ice layer may have been at least partially liquid in its early history, and has since refrozen.

This image was obtained by the Long-Range Reconnaissance Imager (LORRI) on New Horizons. North is up; illumination is from the top-left of the image. The image resolution is about 1,290 feet (394 meters) per pixel. The image measures 240 miles (386 kilometers) long and 110 miles (175 kilometers) wide. It was obtained at a range of approximately 48,900 miles (78,700 kilometers) from Charon, about an hour and 40 minutes before New Horizons’ closest approach to Charon on July 14, 2015.
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Re: Are the planets growing?

Unread postby pavlink » Thu Feb 25, 2016 8:54 am

Here it is how the Earth is growing.

"Matter from Light"

In the words of a "spin" doctor:
"Matter is not being created, it is simply changing forms, from photon to electron to baryon.
Since charge and light are already material, no matter is being created. Matter is simply being spun-up into larger and more complex structures."
http://milesmathis.com/limat.pdf


increased energy influx to Earth => more matter creation in the core => Earth expansion => rotation slowing down, outgasing, sinkholes, volcanoes, orbit change ( to be confirmed )
We live in a double star system.
We need to study double star systems.

Solar System as 4D energy vortex
http://files.kostovi.com/8835e.pdf
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Re: Are the planets growing?

Unread postby Aardwolf » Thu Feb 25, 2016 9:37 am

pavlink wrote:Here it is how the Earth is growing.

"Matter from Light"

In the words of a "spin" doctor:
"Matter is not being created, it is simply changing forms, from photon to electron to baryon.
Since charge and light are already material, no matter is being created. Matter is simply being spun-up into larger and more complex structures."
http://milesmathis.com/limat.pdf


increased energy influx to Earth => more matter creation in the core => Earth expansion => rotation slowing down, outgasing, sinkholes, volcanoes, orbit change ( to be confirmed )
Could just be ordinary particles;

http://www.esa.int/Our_Activities/Space_Science/Cluster/Details_of_solar_particles_penetrating_the_Earth_s_environment_revealed
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Re: Are the planets growing?

Unread postby pavlink » Mon Feb 29, 2016 1:01 pm

Carbon Monoxide Spikes to 40,000 Parts Per Billion over California on February 26 — What the Heck is Going On?
http://robertscribbler.com/2016/02/29/c ... -going-on/
We live in a double star system.
We need to study double star systems.

Solar System as 4D energy vortex
http://files.kostovi.com/8835e.pdf
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Re: Are the planets growing?

Unread postby seasmith » Mon Feb 29, 2016 6:55 pm

Pavlink,
Robertscribbler doesn't seem to have considered the jet stream map for the past four days:
http://squall.sfsu.edu/scripts/jetstream_modelsml.html
I hope it's Not an earthquake precursor
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Re: Are the planets growing?

Unread postby allynh » Tue Mar 01, 2016 2:01 pm

Thanks, guys.

The thing to notice, is that it is a carbon monoxide(CO) spike, not carbon dioxide(CO2), and that the readings were from high altitude, not confirmed by ground level readings. This suggest the CO spike was caused by Nitrogen(N2) transmuted into CO at high altitude. Look in the Mummified Dinosaurs / electric fossilization...? thread for a discussion of transmutation of Nitrogen to Carbon monoxide, and Oxygen to Sulphur.

Most people do not look for transmutation to occur in the atmosphere. So when they looked for terrestrial sources near ground level they got confused. They assumed that the CO and SO2 had to come from the earth in a "belch" of gas, and because they could not find a high CO reading from the ground instrumentation, they assumed it was just an anomalous reading. That's the clue here.

Since the spike occurred over a three hour period it seems more likely to be transmutation than the jet stream carrying a pulse of gas from somewhere else. Notice, the satellite did not follow a cloud of gas traveling along, it saw the spike that faded.

The CO and SO2 could be brand new gas made by a pulse of energy that may also trigger a quake later. This stuff is getting scary. HA!

Monitor Shows Carbon Monoxide Spikes to 40,000 Parts Per Billion over California on February 26 — What the Heck is Going On?
http://robertscribbler.com/2016/02/29/c ... -going-on/
On February 26, The Global Forecast System model recorded an (unconfirmed) intense and wide-ranging carbon monoxide (CO) spike over the US West Coast. A region stretching from British Columbia, through Washington and Oregon, and on over most of California experienced CO readings ranging from about 5,000 parts per billion over the mountains of Southwestern Canada to as high as 40,000 parts per billion over Southern California. Very high peak readings appear to have occurred from Northern California near Eureka and along a line south and eastward over much of Central California to an extreme peak zone just north and west of Los Angeles near Palmdale.

40000 ppbv

(Very large CO spike over Western North America near major geological features on February 26, 2016. Image source: Earth Nullschool.)

For reference, these (unconfirmed) readings in the Nullschool Monitor were between 25 and 200 times above typical background CO levels of about 200 parts per billion and up to twelve times higher than second highest peak readings over polluted regions of China during the same period.

Major Spike Appeared in Just 3 Hours Starting February 25th

Human-based carbon monoxide sources are not generally known to produce spike readings so high and so wide-ranging over such a short interval of time. It would typically take a considerable emission many days to build up under a stagnant air mass. And, to this point, we do have a couple of dome high pressure systems which have tended to form near the California region over recent days. That said, surface winds in the region at 5-15 mph over most areas could hardly be considered stagnant. In addition, the current spike appears over an interval of three hours in the Nullschool data — going from zero coverage to covering all of California and parts of Nevada, Oregon, Washington and BC over that single short interval. It’s a very brief period for such a large and wide-ranging peak reading to appear so soon. One that would require a rather extraordinary pulse of pollution to produce the readings indicated on February 25-26.

Wildfires could produce a longer-term emissions spike under stagnant air as well. However, the wildfires now reported for California are small and isolated. They have flared, off and on, under drought conditions, for weeks without resulting in any significant large fire outbreaks or related major pollution spikes. So it appears unlikely that they are the source of the current burst. Other events related to the ongoing California drought may have had an impact (apparently, burning of desiccated trees from California’s orchards is currently quite widespread due to ongoing drought conditions remaining in place since 2012). However, such instances would have to have been very sudden and wide-ranging to produce the spike we saw on the 25th and 26th. Canadian wildfires — of which there have been very small and low intensity hotspot events recently (noteworthy due to their anomalous appearance out of season, if not for their intensity) — were very far from peak readings in California and did not produce even a moderate level of emissions (undetectable from the visible MODIS sensor).

The Earthquake Precursor Hypothesis

A final suspect for this preliminary observation (which has gotten much hype in social media circles over recent days) is geological. As the apparent spike in the monitor occurs over large fault lines, volcanoes, and above other active geological features along the US and Canadian West, it appears that activity within these features might have produced a brief if intense burp of this gas. Sulfur dioxide (SO2) readings — another geological gas — were also elevated in the monitor, with peak readings again appearing in Southwestern California.

It’s worth noting that no major US or Canadian geological organization has yet made any report on this particularly large CO spike. However, a piece of scientific research in Nature Asia, by K. S. Jayaraman notes that major CO and SO2 spikes may be an indication that future earthquake activity is on the way. According to Nature this kind of intense CO spike occurred prior to a 7.6 magnitude earthquake that shook Gujara in 2001 killing 20,000 people:

Singh said that CO levels were taken by an instrument onboard NASA’s Terra satellite — launched in 2009 — circling the earth in a polar orbit at a height of 705 km. The instrument measures CO concentrations at different heights and also computes the total amount of the gas in a vertical column of air above the earth surface.

Analysis of the satellite data showed a large peak in CO concentrations during January 19 and 20 — a week before the main earthquake event. On January 19, the total CO in the vertical column was also higher than usual. After the 26 January earthquake the concentration of the gas dropped.

According to the scientists, CO gas is forced out of the earth due to the build up of stress prior to the earthquake “influencing the hydrological regime around the epicentre.”

But before we tilt too far into alarmism on this particular possibility, we should consider the fact that the above paper appears to have had no confirmation or further comment in the sciences at this time. So the predictive usefulness of large CO spikes prior to earthquakes remains quite uncertain. And, as noted above, no major geological information outlet has made any warning or comment on earthquake risk so far. Thus the apparent, current very large West Coast CO spike near major fault lines (and over regions suffering from what is now a very severe five-year drought) in this particular monitor remains a bit of a mystery.

Or is it all Just a Glitch?

Considering that all the wildfire and human potential sources for the CO pulse are unlikely to produce the spike in the Nullschool data, that we have no warning of potential impending geological activity from the major agencies, and that we have had no other reports from related agencies to confirm the spike, we should also consider that there may well be something wrong with the monitor. Artifacts can appear in the satellite sensors and it’s not unheard of to get a spike reading due to other signals impacting the sensor.

Carbon Monoxide Hourly Observations San Bernandino

(Hourly carbon monoxide observations in Central San Bernardino do not match high surface CO measures recorded by the GEO5 sensor. Similar lower atmospheric readings come from station observations throughout Southern and Central California. Image source: California AMQD.)

To this point, lack of confirmation at ground reporting stations for high CO readings appearing in the GEO5 monitor increase the likelihood that these high peak readings were a glitch or an artifact in the satellite data. A cursory view of local warnings shows no local CO air quality alerts for the areas indicated in the Nullschool data set (You can view a list of the local monitors here). Analysis of this data also shows much lower CO readings from these stations in the range of 400 to 1200 parts per billion — quite a bit lower than what the GEO5 monitor is showing.

This begs the question — was there some higher altitude plume that confused the GEO5 sensor? Or was there some other signal that tripped the sensor to show such a high reading? But to these points, a general lack of overall confirmation from ground sensors seems to point to the likelihood that such elevated readings in the GEO5 monitor were a glitch, an artifact, or a false reading for this atmospheric level.

UPDATED — Will continue to provide more information if the situation and current assessment changes.
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Re: Are the planets growing?

Unread postby seasmith » Tue Mar 01, 2016 5:42 pm

Since the spike occurred over a three hour period it seems more likely to be transmutation than the jet stream carrying a pulse of gas from somewhere else. Notice, the satellite did not follow a cloud of gas traveling along, it saw the spike that faded. -A


On February 26, The Global Forecast System model recorded an (unconfirmed) intense and wide-ranging carbon monoxide (CO) spike over the US West Coast. A region stretching from British Columbia, through Washington and Oregon, and on over most of California experienced CO readings ranging from about 5,000 parts per billion over the mountains of Southwestern Canada to as high as 40,000 parts per billion over Southern California. Very high peak readings appear to have occurred from Northern California near Eureka and along a line south and eastward over much of Central California to an extreme peak zone just north and west of Los Angeles near Palmdale.


Hi Allynh,

Might well be transmutation, don't know.
The time-lapse video of the jet stream was interesting precisely because it did Not travel east as usual. Instead there was a radical 'snap-back', like sling shot elastic band will will recoil and end up all back against your hand. Or back against the coast of California, in this case.
Just circumstantial evidence, not pressing a case. Sometimes when something similar happens on the East Coast, there's a "perfect storm".

Besides, the "jet stream" Is an electric current~~~
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Re: Are the planets growing?

Unread postby allynh » Wed Mar 02, 2016 11:35 am

seasmith wrote:Instead there was a radical 'snap-back', like sling shot elastic band will will recoil and end up all back against your hand.


That's a good indicator that energy changed in the system. Like you say, the "jet stream" is an electrical current. Think of your "snap-back" as a slow lightning strike and the energy transmuted the entrained gasses in that region. This happens all the time, its just this time people were looking right at it when things happened. That's scary.

All of the atoms around you are newly made, modern, not billions of years old. The aether becomes matter, the matter becomes different atoms, in a continuous dance of change. Look at this M&M commercial to see what I mean.

M&M's River Of Chocolate
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bqfrNraWtro

It's M&Ms(aether) all the way down. HA!
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Join forces!

Unread postby katesisco » Tue Mar 22, 2016 5:00 am

Literally. If the Expanded Earth people http://nealadams.com/science-videos/
and the Electrical Universe people would combine as the situations are caused by the same forces, science--real science--could go forward. Propose a invite for all other theorists for the 2016 to create unification. That is the way forward. It is progress.
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Re: Are the planets growing?

Unread postby allynh » Tue Mar 22, 2016 1:53 pm

I agree, katesisco

The problem is: For the various groups to get together, they first have to convince the other that they are not crazy. HA!

I've pointed out many times, that each group has a large area of the puzzle worked out, but there seems to be no overlap. They each have what is a complete picture yet don't have any of the edges, thus they can't see that they are part of a larger puzzle.
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Re: Are the planets growing?

Unread postby comingfrom » Wed Mar 23, 2016 4:21 pm

All of the atoms around you are newly made, modern, not billions of years old. The aether becomes matter, the matter becomes different atoms, in a continuous dance of change. Look at this M&M commercial to see what I mean.
There is no need for any unexplained (or chocolate candy) theories.

Normal baryonic matter is entering the Earth constantly, from the Sun.
Every raindrop carries another proton or atom to the surface.

If photons of the aether become baryonic matter (and so far this has not been proven), then it most likely happens at the surface of the Sun, or at the center of the galaxy, where there is the energy required to do that.

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Re: Are the planets growing?

Unread postby allynh » Mon Apr 04, 2016 10:02 am

I mentioned the work by Friedemann Freund far upthread. They are using the electrical build up as an indicator of the earthquake, rather than the cause. They will GET there. HA!

Earthquake warning in the air?
https://www.theguardian.com/science/201 ... fault-line
The devastation of the 2015 Gorkha earthquake.
On 25 April it will be the first anniversary of Nepal’s Gorkha earthquake – the country’s worst natural disaster since the 1934 Nepal-Bihar earthquake. The magnitude 7.8 quake killed over 9,000 people and injured over 23,000. With prior warning many of those lives could have been saved. Most seismologists believe that predicting earthquakes is impossible. However, Friedemann Freund, a researcher at NASA believes he has found a subtle signal emitted in the hours before the tremors start.

A mineral physicist by background, Freund’s idea originated from attempts to produce electricity by putting rocks under stress. In 2006 he showed that a block of granite under pressure could produce an electrical current, due to mineral defects unsettling electrons. By 2009 he showed that this process caused air molecules to ionise above the surface of the rock. At that point he wondered if the build-up of stress prior to an earthquake would ionise the air molecules above the fault. Ian Main, an earthquake scientist at the University of Edinburgh, is skeptical of the hypothesis. “The problem is how these processes scale to the much larger spatial and temporal scales in a much more complex material involved in earthquakes,” he says.

Nonetheless, Freund is testing his theory, using air conductivity sensors to monitor changes along fault lines in Alaska and on the San Andreas Fault in California. “Whenever there was a moderate or big earthquake there was indeed a large increase in air conductivity,” he says. Now he is working towards a Global Earthquake Forecast System aiming to issue alerts at least 24 hours before an earthquake strikes.

This is the link they mentioned.

Global Earthquake Forecast System
http://www.trilliumlearning.com/America ... forecasti/
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Re: Are the planets growing?

Unread postby Michal Z » Tue Apr 12, 2016 4:21 pm

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Re: Are the planets growing?

Unread postby Lloyd » Mon Apr 18, 2016 7:55 pm

Play Around
I don't have much interest in expansion theory, but I invite anyone to play what I think is a better game than what I tried previously. I call it SUPERVIEW. All you do is state a little-known fact and a reference. Play the game at this thread: http://www.thunderbolts.info/forum/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=16278&p=113004#p113004.
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